Religious debate

[Yukaphile]

Continuing from another thread, I don't believe in eternal damnation. But for those who are guilty of such wicked crimes, who prey on the innocent, and barely if ever feel regret, or do so as a convenient way to try and repent because they're scared of the life to come after this world, and those who have escaped our justice system, who were not deprived of life or liberty, who in some cases were repeat offenders who just slipped through the cracks, well, some punishment is needed. Obviously a guy like that does not deserve eternal paradise, nor does he deserve to suffer forever. My view is that he should be sentenced to some kind of pain reflected back on him, from his victims, perhaps seeing from their eyes, to be made to be the victim he made them, and this should go on for a set time until your karma is paid. If you're resistant, then you become a warped caricature of those views, it really depends on how long you suffer. If you're too eager to wanna change, well, it still takes time, so I'd imagine even if you instantly see the light, it would take a long time before the negativity your actions have left behind is paid back in full. Perhaps a million years for some people. But not eternal. Not unless you never see the light. Then your own actions have doomed you. Your stubborn refusal to see the pain you've inflicted on others.

I dunno. The thread was originally about Indy 3, and that ties into Christian beliefs, and I'm not a fan of Christian beliefs, yet I fear they might be true. Especially since there's all sorts of little signs that might point to the validation they might be true.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Have you looked into Buddhism at all? I'm pretty sure they lack the idea of eternal suffering, just a sorta sentencing period in one of the bad realms.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

You still have to follow the teachings of Buddhism. It's the same difference.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

You still have to follow the teachings of Buddhism. It's the same difference.

Not exactly? "Eternal damnation" vs "suffering for a long time but eventually it gets better" is a HUGE difference from a theological perspective. Heck, it's possible to be a good buddhist without ever even hearing the words of buddha.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

All things considered, dying without knowing the way then being reincarnated in buddhism with no memory but to relive that same spiritual cycle of suffering in Karma/ Dharma is not a huge difference.

Let's be real for a little bit, we're talking about eternity as it reciprocates from one life of devotion. The guidance isn't particularly exclusive between Christianity or Buddhism. And then, modern Christian theologians aren't estranged from the idea that a righteous person without the guidance from God or the Church can end up in heaven. So yeah you can follow Buddhism, but somehow having an otherwise indifferent outlook while subsiding with Christianity to which point you die without salvation is either questionable from a living choice standpoint or even irrelevant given that you already adhere to the guidance without ever having learned it.

[Beastro]

Have you looked into Buddhism at all? I'm pretty sure they lack the idea of eternal suffering, just a sorta sentencing period in one of the bad realms.

Wut

To Buddhists life is eternal suffering. That is the entire reason for trying to break free from it.

Your stubborn refusal to see the pain you've inflicted on others.

And that's the money shot.

I wonder how much it says about what you're dealing with in life and how it applies to others in it.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

When you go away from a site for a few months...

This obsession of yours is not healthy Yuka. I genuinely think that nothing short of Chuck yelling 'HOW DARE THEY DO THIS AWFUL, HORRIBLE, DISGUSTING THING?'' would be enough for you.
We can see the sexism in this fifty year old work, we know its there. That is enough for most people.

Yukie uses this site as one of mostly many online outlets to vent while avoiding his personal demons.

Oh he's quite open about his demons, and quite literally.

He is. There's going on about the plaguing you and then there's confronting and working on them.

That's easier said than done, especially given his relative age, but there's only so much one can complain about the knife in their gut before it eventually has to be pulled out and the wound treated.

I don't know, he's just kinda asked questions as far as I can tell. On some level it's like why should I or anyone care if you're a self proclaimed nihilist? But then in this thread he was taking notions of afterlife quite literally without much understanding of real life significance conveyed in religious perspective, which is arguably essential in making any utter determination of religious implications.

[Beastro]

I don't know, he's just kinda asked questions as far as I can tell. On some level it's like why should I or anyone care if you're a self proclaimed nihilist? But then in this thread he was taking notions of afterlife quite literally without much understanding of real life significance conveyed in religious perspective, which is arguably essential in making any utter determination of religious implications.

It's the anger of a self-described atheist that is actually a hurt and disaffected Christian. What you see in many militant atheists that makes sense once you realize their background and falling out with their religion.

Regardless of whether or not Yukie holds a religious position or not, what this boils down to is his personal experiences and him crying out "How could this happen to me?!?".

[Yukaphile]

If I may interject? It's less about "HOW IS THIS HAPPENING TO ME?!" and more, "Just... why can't we have a fair world, even in death?" Dreams of justice, especially considering the lack of it we have in the world today. It can get very depressing.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I don't know, he's just kinda asked questions as far as I can tell. On some level it's like why should I or anyone care if you're a self proclaimed nihilist? But then in this thread he was taking notions of afterlife quite literally without much understanding of real life significance conveyed in religious perspective, which is arguably essential in making any utter determination of religious implications.

It's the anger of a self-described atheist that is actually a hurt and disaffected Christian. What you see in many militant atheists that makes sense once you realize their background and falling out with their religion.

Regardless of whether or not Yukie holds a religious position or not, what this boils down to is his personal experiences and him crying out "How could this happen to me?!?".

Actually I think militant atheism is often more about defiance against institutionalization of religion particularly with regard to absurdities in the dogma and no doubt metaphysical inconsistencies with science and common sense empiricism. In other words, not really a falling out and lashing out. Also as I think I've pointed out somewhere earlier in the thread, atheism isn't quite nihilism, but a more than fair point.

He doesn't really talk about his experiences, so I don't go so far to really assert judgement what not. I'm personally fine with the probably derivative topics that he cultivates and shares here.

If I may interject? It's less about "HOW IS THIS HAPPENING TO ME?!" and more, "Just... why can't we have a fair world, even in death?" Dreams of justice, especially considering the lack of it we have in the world today. It can get very depressing.

Rather challenging to commence on a science fiction media site's forum, I know.

Though, just to musingly stab at your question, I ask what stops a population of any animal from having a fair world, whether inhabited with evil humans or not?