Fascism is Heroarchy

[hammerofglass]

The worldbuilding in that series is so obviously made up as she goes along with a focus on whimsy for whimsy's sake that the idea any of it means anything seems like a stretch.

Other than the heroes cheerfully putting Christmas decorations on the mounted heads of dead slaves, that part is deeply fucked up even if you accept the "they like slavery actually" explanation.

I think the TVTrope in this instance would be "What Measure is Non-Human". Wizards recognise slavery - human slavery. Their attitude towards house elves is similar to that in the real world of beasts of burden. Dobby is a mule that cleans your house. Plenty of people in the real world treat their animals like shit, even the "cute" ones. Plenty of people mount their heads too. This is a far more complex subject than is being made out here.

There is also the obvious fact that house elves love being slaves. They consider being released an insult. Maybe they covet the idea of having tinsel on their severed heads. That was where Hermione principally failed with SPEW and why any real life parallel with slavery breaks down.

That is exactly what the problem, imagining a species that wants Slaves like that is recreating real world Slavery ideology in a context where it's true.

Even had fantasy drapetomania to dismiss that Dobby didn't enjoy being enslaved.

The narrative as presented makes Dobby out to be some kind of deviant in house elf society. Winky absolutely detested being free and Kraucher took his freedom and immediately went to seek another master. The Hogwarts house elves began to absolutely loathe Hermione after a time.

TL;DR you cannot base anything on Dobby. It is like basing your interpretation of Klingon honour on Worf.

That's exactly what I said only using different words.

[Madner Kami]

Born a slave. Raised a slave. Never knew anything but slavery. Was told and taught that slavery is the best thing ever. Thinks slavery is the best thing ever. Enjoys being a slave. Master hurts you? You must've done something wrong my preciousssss.

[MithrandirOlorin]

I always like to bring up feudalism as a point against the eternalness of capitalism as a concept.

Capitalism is actually a fairly new concept.

It requires, fundamentally, money to be the guiding part of the ruling class and society versus food or land.

Contrary to popular conception Credit Based Money Systems have always existed, they were nothing new.

[CharlesPhipps]

I always like to bring up feudalism as a point against the eternalness of capitalism as a concept.

Capitalism is actually a fairly new concept.

It requires, fundamentally, money to be the guiding part of the ruling class and society versus food or land.

Contrary to popular conception Credit Based Money Systems have always existed, they were nothing new.

Which is not the basis of capitalism. Capitalism doesn't mean money.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I always like to bring up feudalism as a point against the eternalness of capitalism as a concept.

Capitalism is actually a fairly new concept.

It requires, fundamentally, money to be the guiding part of the ruling class and society versus food or land.

Contrary to popular conception Credit Based Money Systems have always existed, they were nothing new.

Which is not the basis of capitalism. Capitalism doesn't mean money.

Who specifically are you positing as the ruling class in this economy?

[CharlesPhipps]

Who specifically are you positing as the ruling class in this economy?

The richest via money.

Non-capitalist systems may have merchant classes but they are restricted from the ruling system by other methods.

Say, in feudalism the power isn't from money but title and land.

[MithrandirOlorin]

Who specifically are you positing as the ruling class in this economy?

The richest via money.

Non-capitalist systems may have merchant classes but they are restricted from the ruling system by other methods.

Say, in feudalism the power isn't from money but title and land.

No Class is still determined by whether you own the Means Production not how much Cash you have in the Bank.

[Madner Kami]

Who specifically are you positing as the ruling class in this economy?

The richest via money.

Non-capitalist systems may have merchant classes but they are restricted from the ruling system by other methods.

Say, in feudalism the power isn't from money but title and land.

No Class is still determined by whether you own the Means Production not how much Cash you have in the Bank.

So the simple workers were always the ruling class then? Can't produce anything without human hands, after all.

[hammerofglass]

And rent seeking landlords aren't upper class apparently.

[MithrandirOlorin]

Wow, you two don't even know what means of production means, obviously that includes Land Lords.