The Left was Anti-War even during the lead up to WW2 (and the Right was not)

[MithrandirOlorin]

The U.S. was on a different, that why it was not the U.S.'s concern.

So the deaths of a couple houndred million people and their opression under goose-stepping boot-heels is not your concern, as long as it doesn't happen in the US. But somehow it's the UK's problem what happens in Germany or the USSR? Or France's problem what happens in Germany? Tell me, why didn't you vote for Trump? He's very clearly your kind of guy.

Guess what, all that happened our timeline even though we did get involved.

[hammerofglass]

The US didn't enter the war until after Japan hit Pearl Harber and captured the Philippines, Guam, and a few other American territories and Germany declared war to support it's ally. It wasn't a war of choice, so the whole coulda woulda shoulda question is moot in any case.

[Nobody700]

The US didn't enter the war until after Japan hit Pearl Harber and captured the Philippines, Guam, and a few other American territories and Germany declared war to support it's ally. It wasn't a war of choice, so the whole coulda woulda shoulda question is moot in any case.

Yes but you are ignoring the fact that by his logic, we should have just NOT entered the war because.

[hammerofglass]

The US didn't enter the war until after Japan hit Pearl Harber and captured the Philippines, Guam, and a few other American territories and Germany declared war to support it's ally. It wasn't a war of choice, so the whole coulda woulda shoulda question is moot in any case.

Yes but you are ignoring the fact that by his logic, we should have just NOT entered the war because.

So what, just offer unconditional surrender immediately and submit to occupation? Because that's really the only other option.

[Nobody700]

The US didn't enter the war until after Japan hit Pearl Harber and captured the Philippines, Guam, and a few other American territories and Germany declared war to support it's ally. It wasn't a war of choice, so the whole coulda woulda shoulda question is moot in any case.

Yes but you are ignoring the fact that by his logic, we should have just NOT entered the war because.

So what, just offer unconditional surrender immediately and submit to occupation? Because that's really the only other option.

You may say allowing tyrants to kill us all and take over who survived to grind them to dust is the bad thing, but I learned fighting is a worse idea because of an internet convo.

[McAvoy]

The US didn't enter the war until after Japan hit Pearl Harber and captured the Philippines, Guam, and a few other American territories and Germany declared war to support it's ally. It wasn't a war of choice, so the whole coulda woulda shoulda question is moot in any case.

You know historians have said that if it wasn't for the fact that Hitler himself declared war on the US, it would have been harder to Roosevelt to convince the US to declare war on Germany. Remember it was Hitler not the US that declared war.

Yes Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and killed 3000 Americans in a sneak attack. Sunk military assets and basically declared war on the US. Yes, logistically Japan had no way to threaten the continental US. Doesn't matter how the US got Hawaii, what matters is that Japan in 1941 attacked the US. And greatly angered Americans.

And Yes at that time, Germany really had no hope logistically of reaching the US. The US had a very powerful Navy, was thousands of miles away and was building up its air force. Not to mention Americans at that point would not take it too kindly to a Nazi invasion of the mainland. But that was in 1941.

Leave Germany alone to focus it attention on the Eastern front without American logistical support, Russia would struggle. Oh sure, so would Germany. Without support from the US, the Brits would also struggle. This would all mean no day and night bombings of factories and cities and a steady decline of Nazi air power. It would mean Nazi engineers and scientists being able to further develop their super weapons.

Americans getting involved probably saved millions and millions of Europeans and years more of war. Sure, soon or later Nazi Germany will lose by just sheer weight of numbers from the Soviets.

Nevermind the Jews. Nevermind Hitler did have future plans against the US if somehow he did win against Russia. Nevermind the possibility of losing Britain and that land to Germany.

[MithrandirOlorin]

It would mean Nazi engineers and scientists being able to further develop their super weapons.

Those "Super Weapons" were always Nonsense, they never gonna work. Their popular mythology is another weird way people have actually bought into Nazi Propaganda.

[McAvoy]

It would mean Nazi engineers and scientists being able to further develop their super weapons.

Those "Super Weapons" were always Nonsense, they never gonna work. Their popular mythology is another weird way people have actually bought into Nazi Propaganda.

Fun fact. People who actually pay attention to history especially WW2 military technology history knows this. In fact the ones that actually worked, the ones that actually mattered and was the foundation for the modern weapons we have today, worked. The difference is that between them coming too late, the technology such as guidance systems for the V weapons wasnt there or interference from higher ups in the chain of command prevented the good ones like the jet powered ones from working.

Or that a development of an atomic bomb would take a long time in terms of how Nazis like to set up their research teams where cross sharing developments were not happening.

The fact though, if America never got involved in WW2 because to you, they just shrug their shoulders and say 'oh well', that Nazis would have had much more time to further develop and mature their 'super weapons'. Specifically the ones that actually worked.

Not to mention that in this scenerio, Americans are not involved. Which means relies on the Soviets taking the mantle of defeating Nazi Germany. Which means instead of a split Germany, we have a full blown Russian controlled communist Germany in the 1950's. Maybe even a communist Soviet France as well, perhaps for a time.

Not to mention millions more dead. The Soviets were not exactly kind to the Germans when they were pushing their way to Berlin historically.

[MithrandirOlorin]

Not to mention that in this scenerio, Americans are not involved. Which means relies on the Soviets taking the mantle of defeating Nazi Germany. Which means instead of a split Germany, we have a full blown Russian controlled communist Germany in the 1950's. Maybe even a communist Soviet France as well, perhaps for a time.

That is precisely the outcome I consider preferable.

[McAvoy]

Not to mention that in this scenerio, Americans are not involved. Which means relies on the Soviets taking the mantle of defeating Nazi Germany. Which means instead of a split Germany, we have a full blown Russian controlled communist Germany in the 1950's. Maybe even a communist Soviet France as well, perhaps for a time.

That is precisely the outcome I consider preferable.

What a communist Europe under the thumb of Russia?