I don't have anything to back it up, so I should add an addendum that it was unintentional; entirely my fault, I should have been clearer.CareerKnight wrote:Do you have anything to backup that that is what the TNG writers were going for cause if not its just your in-universe pet theory and it has some holes in it (heck the holes are there whether its yours or theirs). Biggest being that Star Trek VI gave them 50 years and TNG takes place roughly 60 years later so if they still haven't resolved the issues it created yet you then have to explain how they haven't collapsed already, cause even with the Federation propping them up the culture we see in TNG is so incapable of handling a massive energy shortage and ecological damage that they should have already imploded before TNG started.Dînadan wrote:As I've said in other threads/the old forum, I think the problem isn't so much the TNG era depiction of Klingons, it's that they continued with it in Enterprise. Star Trek VI pointed out after the Praxis incident they were screwed and were going to become a dying/doomed race, and in the TNG era we see exactly that; they're screwed and will likely collapse as a major power unless they change. Then Enterprise came along and had them be exactly the same centuries earlier, with the closest we came to seeing them any different being a single lawyer who gave an old geezer "Kids these days" grumble.
As for the timeframe, it's probably worth noting that was an estimate, so it's not as if they would reach 50 years exactly and, bang, no more Klingons. Also, that estimate was based on them being on their own, so the Federation providing humanitarian aid would have extended that deadline and what we see over the TNG-era being the death throes as they're on their way out.
I should also clarify the intent of my statement; what I meant was a counter to the thought expressed by some that the degradation of the Klingons into more and more a stereotype is intrinsically a bad thing. I'm just saying that the fault lies with the Enterprise writers, not the TNG ones (obviously there's an overlap, for those that wrote for both I mean the fault lies with them when they wrote Enterprise not the TNG shows) as it perpetuated the stereotype and continued the degradation in an earlier era rather than making it an in universe thing. The waffle about how in-universe stuff could be used to support it is just something that occurred to me as I wrote the post and was to elaborate on how it could have been used as an authors' saving throw.
Again, my bad, I should have been clearer in my earlier post as to what I meant.
