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unknownsample wrote: ↑Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:35 pm The people who you're talking about are the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg and the ERG, not the EU.

There are huge issues with government within the UK too. This isn't a one side or the other issue.

Like I said nothing's changed about the question.I've laid out my thoughts on the subject. The EU certainly hasn't done anything to change my opinions of it. I don't have an issue with disagreement with them but a bit more effort than simple statements along the lines "disaster", "screw up" and "shi...

Should some of the effort I expend ultimately help people not in a position to help themselves? Yes. Should some of it go to people who are happy to not bother because other people will do the hard work for them? No chance. If you're not prepared to be responsible for yourself don't expect anyone e...

Words like "disaster" get thrown around all too often and unfortunately give the impression of not having thought things through. If someone is very keen on the concept of the EU then it's depressing and upsetting and maybe a disaster for their ideals (and I can sympathise with that), but fears of ...

Right of abode is a contentious one due to it resulting in significant unbalanced population movements. Unfortunately there usually seems to be someone who starts throwing out accusations of racism and xenophobia as soon as it's mentioned, which stifles debate (and runs the danger of creating sympa...

But that isn't what a lot of Leavers want. They want to stay British , and know that while they are in Britain, they are being governed by London, not Brussels. This is the part that seems short-sighted to me. If that's what someone wants, then this is a short-term victory (you're no longer under t...

Honestly, I don't understand what Leave's endgame is supposed to look like. Barrier free trade with the European Union is key because the EU has a large economy and is very close to Britain. Britons and Europeans both benefit from right of abode. What does Leave want? If it only was barrier-free tr...

Words like "disaster" get thrown around all too often and unfortunately give the impression of not having thought things through. If someone is very keen on the concept of the EU then it's depressing and upsetting and maybe a disaster for their ideals (and I can sympathise with that), but fears of i...

That's because the Leave camp don't want to confront the reality of Brexit. Always replies along that line "don't understand", "don't want to confront reality" as soon as you disagree rather than even consider that different people with different values and priorities can come to different conclusi...

Size matters. For the same reason why big nations can bully little nations, the EU can bully Britain (which, after all, is why the EU and other transnationals exist). The more people start to view it as a bully the more likely it is to gain more dislike internally. Although it tries to act too much...