Biden announces mass pardon for low-level marijuana convictions, slamming ‘failed approach’ to drug war

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Re: Biden announces mass pardon for low-level marijuana convictions, slamming ‘failed approach’ to drug war

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McAvoy wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:19 pm I had a DUI. Blew a 0.09. Basically having two beers at dinner was enough. Anyway I failed my field sobriety test because according to the officer I 'sung' my ABCs.

Which I didn't because I made sure to pause between each letter. But he felt I did sing. So these tests are basically an opinion from the officer on whether or not you are impaired.

I didn't get pulled over. I had to pass through the main gate on NAS Oceana. So it wasn't like I was doing donuts on the highway.
.09 after two beers? You must have left like 20 minutes after drinking them.
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Re: Biden announces mass pardon for low-level marijuana convictions, slamming ‘failed approach’ to drug war

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Nealithi wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:02 am
hammerofglass wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:44 am
McAvoy wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:40 am As he should.

I should state that I. Ant do any drugs of any kind. Mandated by the FAA.

But I have supported legalizing Mary Jane and her Whacky Tobacky. To a limit of course. I do feel there definitely should be some field test the police can do if they feel the driver is high.
Other than the breathalyzer itself can't they just use the standard sobriety test? Walk in a line while reciting the alphabet backwards, that kind of thing?
Glancing at the field sobriety test, I would have difficulty with two of the steps stone sober.

https://www.verywellmind.com/field-sobriety-test-67159

And the 'Signs of intoxication' My entire family hits five of seven just waking up. We forget words, get talkative when anxious, walk into a room and forget why we did, generally tired, and all of us have different walking issues. My parents call it getting old.

So I think they need a field sobriety test that has less false positives.
I assume if it's medical-related they will have an alternate method to administer the test.
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Re: Biden announces mass pardon for low-level marijuana convictions, slamming ‘failed approach’ to drug war

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Nealithi wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:02 am
Glancing at the field sobriety test, I would have difficulty with two of the steps stone sober.

https://www.verywellmind.com/field-sobriety-test-67159
They do appear to be rather questionable, and pretty much come out and say that the odds of a false positive from the individual tests are high. At most I'd say failure of one of them is grounds for suspicion, no more.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:24 am
McAvoy wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:19 pm I had a DUI. Blew a 0.09. Basically having two beers at dinner was enough. Anyway I failed my field sobriety test because according to the officer I 'sung' my ABCs.

Which I didn't because I made sure to pause between each letter. But he felt I did sing. So these tests are basically an opinion from the officer on whether or not you are impaired.

I didn't get pulled over. I had to pass through the main gate on NAS Oceana. So it wasn't like I was doing donuts on the highway.
.09 after two beers? You must have left like 20 minutes after drinking them.
Well yeah. I blame the IPAs I was drinking. They are much stronger than your typical beer.
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Re: Biden announces mass pardon for low-level marijuana convictions, slamming ‘failed approach’ to drug war

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McAvoy wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:51 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:24 am
McAvoy wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:19 pm I had a DUI. Blew a 0.09. Basically having two beers at dinner was enough. Anyway I failed my field sobriety test because according to the officer I 'sung' my ABCs.

Which I didn't because I made sure to pause between each letter. But he felt I did sing. So these tests are basically an opinion from the officer on whether or not you are impaired.

I didn't get pulled over. I had to pass through the main gate on NAS Oceana. So it wasn't like I was doing donuts on the highway.
.09 after two beers? You must have left like 20 minutes after drinking them.
Well yeah. I blame the IPAs I was drinking. They are much stronger than your typical beer.
That makes more sense, but really how soon did you leave, and when did you start drinking minute-wise?
..What mirror universe?
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Re: Biden announces mass pardon for low-level marijuana convictions, slamming ‘failed approach’ to drug war

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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:40 pm
McAvoy wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:51 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:24 am
McAvoy wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:19 pm I had a DUI. Blew a 0.09. Basically having two beers at dinner was enough. Anyway I failed my field sobriety test because according to the officer I 'sung' my ABCs.

Which I didn't because I made sure to pause between each letter. But he felt I did sing. So these tests are basically an opinion from the officer on whether or not you are impaired.

I didn't get pulled over. I had to pass through the main gate on NAS Oceana. So it wasn't like I was doing donuts on the highway.
.09 after two beers? You must have left like 20 minutes after drinking them.
Well yeah. I blame the IPAs I was drinking. They are much stronger than your typical beer.
That makes more sense, but really how soon did you leave, and when did you start drinking minute-wise?
Two beers spread out over the meal. I can't do minute by minute because we are talking about 12 years ago. Probably no longer than 45 minutes, and probably had less than half a beer left by the check came. I didn't chug it.

The point of my story is that I got hit with a DUI which by law I was intoxicated over the limit. But it was due to shaky field sobriety test on the officer there. It was not a MA but a rent a cop (as in literal cop being rented out by the Navy). He wrote down that I sun my ABCs which I didn't. I didn't fail the walking the line or touching my nose.

The good news it doesn't show up on my driving record when I moved back in NJ. I am sure it's there, but when I checked out of curiosity a few years ago it isn't there. My speeding tickets when I was a young idiot are there though.
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If a failed approach to the drug war is reason to decriminalize, then they might as well get all the drug laws off the books. If the goal is to reduce drug abuse, incarcerating users has been an abject failure with decades of proof that it does not work.
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pilight wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:15 pm If a failed approach to the drug war is reason to decriminalize, then they might as well get all the drug laws off the books. If the goal is to reduce drug abuse, incarcerating users has been an abject failure with decades of proof that it does not work.
Well, the goal has usually been to incarcerate "undesirables" (read: the poor, people of color, immigrants, liberals) while painting them as insane junkies.


youtu.be/sXPOw2unxy0

Also, hemp was becoming a great alternative to wood-based paper pulps and the timber industry wasn't having that.
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