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Madner Kami wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:56 am
America, Land of the Free. Except if you are not a white, bible-thumping, radical Christian, then you are free to go fuck yourself and have to do what white, bible-thumping, radical Christians tell you to.
Remember the freedom to bear arms? It's there for this exact reason. I increasingly doubt that this is going to end any other way, as this country has been usurped by radical religious nutjobs since the 1950s at least.
Its been a long time since ''the people'' rising up would have actually beaten the government. Especially as, by the looks of it, only a certain part of ''the people'' would actually rise up because this sort of thing trends very well with a great many people.
TL;DR, remember the first episode of Serenity? Remember the fate of the brown coats?
By the US government's own estimates if there were major unrest in more than 3-5 major american cities the army would not be able to reestablish order and that was before the massive recruitment shortfalls they are having now.
That depends on what you mean by ''re-establish order.'' Syria hasn't ''re-established order'' in a decade and yet its government is still well and truly in charge. And like I say, if we are talking about an uprising regarding LGBT issues as is the implication, there would be plenty of civvies backing up the army on the opposing side. I suspect that most Republican voters would not back the LGBT community on anything.
And as an aside, a high proportion of the American public (and British public I am putting myself on no pedestal) is not prepared, able or capable of fighting a protracted guerrilla war. Life is just too damn effing comfortable today. After a month of no internet, no TV, no full supermarkets, no hot baths, no medication; most Westerners would drop their guns and run back home. Anyone who has a ''Red Dawn'' fantasy just with the government in place of the Russians needs to check their own waistline first.
I would argue many supermarkets are not exactly 'full' right now. It is becoming easier to get what you want with online shopping.
I would also argue that it is extremely unlikely the American public would actually face the US Army since the Army, etc cannot be used against US citizens. It would be the guard, FBI and police forces.
ProfessorDetective wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:59 am
Yeah, all of this is definitely making me consider firearms ownership. I'm looking at the Ruger PCC, currently: common cart, manageable cart, common mags, simple build, usually priced under a grand, strong enough to put down most humanoids or smaller, and slips past most legal definitions of "assault weapon". Gonna wait until I'm living alone again before I really consider taking that step, though.
Might want to go with something in a 7.76mm or other full-power round, vests that stop 9mm or 5.56mm are popular with the would-be Sturmabteilung crowd
If they're that well kitted, I'm probably screwed either way.
Nealithi wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:28 pm
I would argue many supermarkets are not exactly 'full' right now. It is becoming easier to get what you want with online shopping.
I would also argue that it is extremely unlikely the American public would actually face the US Army since the Army, etc cannot be used against US citizens. It would be the guard, FBI and police forces.
It can and will be used against US citizens. What, you think that law is going to stop them?
Anyway, on the subject of arms, I can't have a gun in the house because that would make certain things too easy for me.
"Believe me, there’s nothing so terrible that someone won’t support it."
— Un Lun Dun, China Mieville
Nealithi wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:28 pm
I would argue many supermarkets are not exactly 'full' right now. It is becoming easier to get what you want with online shopping.
I would also argue that it is extremely unlikely the American public would actually face the US Army since the Army, etc cannot be used against US citizens. It would be the guard, FBI and police forces.
It can and will be used against US citizens. What, you think that law is going to stop them?
Anyway, on the subject of arms, I can't have a gun in the house because that would make certain things too easy for me.
clearspira wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:16 pm
And as an aside, a high proportion of the American public (and British public I am putting myself on no pedestal) is not prepared, able or capable of fighting a protracted guerrilla war. Life is just too damn effing comfortable today. After a month of no internet, no TV, no full supermarkets, no hot baths, no medication; most Westerners would drop their guns and run back home. Anyone who has a ''Red Dawn'' fantasy just with the government in place of the Russians needs to check their own waistline first.
I mean if you're one of the communities on which genocide is rapidly ramping up, you won't have those things either way.
While the efficacy of armed resistance against the US government is, at best, dubious? That’s not really the issue at question for why queer people might arm themselves. Any such movement would require a lot of the wider populous to join them, something I don’t see in evidence.
But at this time it’s unlikely that the US government would be the opponent. These things are happening at the state level, and these laws would be enforced by police and sectarian agitators. And while private firearms aren’t much of a deterrent against the US Military, your local puffed up religious zealot might think twice about turning over someone who’ll shoot back.
I don’t really have the skillset for owning a firearm myself, but anyone who does would probably be well served to stay armed at this point.
CmdrKing wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:32 pm
I don’t really have the skillset for owning a firearm myself, but anyone who does would probably be well served to stay armed at this point.
Those without the skillset maybe look up your local Pink Pistols group and learn it.
...for space is wide, and good friends are too few.
I would definitely learn how to fire a gun even if you don't own one. Just be prepared just in case.
My military training really didn't count firing weapons. I was trained as a mechanic more than anything else. But that, doesn't mean I know how to use guns.
Only gun I own is a hand me down WW2 1911 45 that was barely used by my grandfather. More of a heirloom at this point.
