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McAvoy wrote: ↑Thu May 15, 2025 3:15 am
Now with those lights with cameras. Philly has them. I just got one $100 for basically running a red light for a left hand turn. They got me in the act. I was probably rushing to make the light and didn't make it.
Now compare that to another situation where I did the same thing. I accelerated to make the yellow light before it turned redvand didn't make it. There was a cop who saw me do it. With that cop, I got out of it due to my honesty. He let me go. Before Fuzzy or someone else say I was let go because I was white, I will say this: Nope my skin color had nothing to do with it. It is how it is in my area.
The cameras eliminate that interaction but also allows that police district to gain more money from fees. Fees you really cannot argue against. It's cold and calculated.
Responding to both posts.
First you showed nicely there is a line. Thank you.
Now for the second I feel you have a point. There was a couple that kept getting speeding tickets in the same spot on their pickup truck. The one parked in front of their house. The camera was misaligned and every speeder set it off and caught their vehicle. Forcing them to go to court and fight them. At one point the police went out and redirected the camera. Tickets to them stopped for a month. Till the private company that ran the camera 'fixed' it and the fiasco started all over again.
I can agree there are issues with the system. Serious ones.
But we need to make the right arguments. A traffic camera is not an invasion of privacy unless it is looking in your window.
Police currently have such a crap record with cameras I think them saying you don't need to record them is like them saying you don't need a lawyer.
Well it just breaks down to the idea that the cameras are there not to prevent but to gain money for police through fines.
Pennsylvania still has these obviously. I did once get a warning for going over the speed limit on I-95. This is a major highway in PA that goes through Philadelphia. It's speeds up and slows down alot, you have to dodge the idiots who treat it like Nascar. But it wasn't like I was doing even 80 on the highway either.
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 11:12 pm
Well it just breaks down to the idea that the cameras are there not to prevent but to gain money for police through fines.
Pennsylvania still has these obviously. I did once get a warning for going over the speed limit on I-95. This is a major highway in PA that goes through Philadelphia. It's speeds up and slows down alot, you have to dodge the idiots who treat it like Nascar. But it wasn't like I was doing even 80 on the highway either.
Sorry, anything Pensy does legally makes me wince. They back date new laws to make you guilty from before the law was passed. To circumventing double jeopardy by claiming new DA's can open closed cases because they were not in office at the time.
I have two defenses of the public cameras.
The police tried to fix the issue. Only for the private company to put it back. Does not sound like the police are the ones making the money.
And the Boston Marathon Bombing. The public cameras let them discover and track down the culprits.
Okay there is a third, but I only know this one second hand. A predator took a child from a daycare. Cameras tracked him and he was caught and the little girl recovered in four hours. Before he had time to hurt or kill her.
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 11:12 pm
Well it just breaks down to the idea that the cameras are there not to prevent but to gain money for police through fines.
Pennsylvania still has these obviously. I did once get a warning for going over the speed limit on I-95. This is a major highway in PA that goes through Philadelphia. It's speeds up and slows down alot, you have to dodge the idiots who treat it like Nascar. But it wasn't like I was doing even 80 on the highway either.
Sorry, anything Pensy does legally makes me wince. They back date new laws to make you guilty from before the law was passed. To circumventing double jeopardy by claiming new DA's can open closed cases because they were not in office at the time.
I have two defenses of the public cameras.
The police tried to fix the issue. Only for the private company to put it back. Does not sound like the police are the ones making the money.
And the Boston Marathon Bombing. The public cameras let them discover and track down the culprits.
Okay there is a third, but I only know this one second hand. A predator took a child from a daycare. Cameras tracked him and he was caught and the little girl recovered in four hours. Before he had time to hurt or kill her.
I am not from there. I live in NJ. I just despise driving through Philly. Or upper NJ for that matter too.
I get cameras in general. They are useful and also have that downside which I think some people treat too much like 1984 or something. But not traffic cameras. I know they are used on bridges for safety and traffic pattern uses. I just don't like them being used to generate money.
