None of the police who murdered a girl in her sleep will be charged with a crime

[Captain Crimson]

I bet you fricking loved South Park growing up.

No, I always preferred The Simpsons and King of the Hill.

Besides, I already broke out of the rut and gave my support to the one person who's advocating police and criminal justice reform I think will actually try, and not just hollow campaign promises. In a crucial swing state, as well. Don't know what else you expect, but keep on making friends there.

When the whole system is so rotted and decayed you can't get anything done, what system is that? A bad one. And I hold no political office nor any kind of public visibility, so little I can do past what I just said.

It isn't really hypocrisy though. Defunding the police is a rational measure, maybe specifically, but maybe for general consideration too. Calling hypocrisy in that situation is dubious because "abolish the police" is outlier selection.

In TGLS's example, the overall effort to reform with progressive standards is constantly challenged, and it's much more broad based on the right, typically lacking any resolution from the right's efforts to understand the issue fairly.

Now I did saw Lauren Chen remark that conservatives do tend to dismiss BLM as the only prominent organization battling police brutality, and I say again on this forum that that is a positive step for general conservative rhetoric. Overall, though, it's a regular thing and doesn't really fit in the exaggerated culture column.

Just my thoughts on the matter. No biggie.

You're right it's no biggie, but... imagine how this looks to the less informed? I know you really shouldn't focus on them, or those of an opposing political view, but they do make up the larger electorate.

We need the police to protect us... but also abolish them. I know doublethink is at the core of human experience, but darn it, it would look weird to all those aforementioned groups.

Plus I was also laughing at the mockery of the right too. You could apply the same logic.

The Right: We believe life is so sacred, we'll make it hard for a woman to have the right to choose!
Also The Right: We must have guns to protect ourselves, so we'll make those super easy to get!

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Whoa now, please slow down a bit here, because you're going back over things I addressed.

You're right it's no biggie, but... imagine how this looks to the less informed? I know you really shouldn't focus on them, or those of an opposing political view, but they do make up the larger electorate.

I've seen you mention this before, and I think it's an interesting issue. I think about this kind of thing all the time. I will say that I think there's a lot of superficiality to it in the grand scheme of things, so yeah I don't know if you want to comment to that specifically.

We need the police to protect us... but also abolish them. I know doublethink is at the core of human experience, but darn it, it would look weird to all those aforementioned groups.

Here's where I have to pause things. I just said in the last post that "abolishing the police" isn't a part of any functioning narrative on the left. Perhaps within the more radical or uneducated sides, but it's certainly not part of the conventional rhetoric.

[Captain Crimson]

I've seen you mention this before, and I think it's an interesting issue. I think about this kind of thing all the time. I will say that I think there's a lot of superficiality to it in the grand scheme of things, so yeah I don't know if you want to comment to that specifically.

Merely that in a functioning democracy, they are the bread and butter to those who choose our gloriously elected leaders. And in today's hyper-paced, fast-food-chomping, digital age of distractions and gadgetry, they will be less informed than previous generations. Also most especially if the left gets their way and we have major voting reform where the popular vote decides the winners, and the right sure as H will not want that for that reason.

Here's where I have to pause things. I just said in the last post that "abolishing the police" isn't a part of any functioning narrative on the left. Perhaps within the more radical or uneducated sides, but it's certainly not part of the conventional rhetoric.

Agreed. This is what is so amusing to me. The larger narrative seems to be police reform, so we all agree on what matters, yet wind up running circles around one another on the actual details of the discussion. I could have clarified, I suppose, to state I was laughing at the stereotype to both. I even added one of my own, for good measure.

[Makeshift Python]

Seriously though, Americans deserve to have their guns confiscated.

[Captain Crimson]

Seriously though, Americans deserve to have their guns confiscated.

My larger point was there is a certain degree of hypocrisy I always find amusing for left and right, that I can laugh at for both, and in this case, it's about life being sacred? That's why you won't let women have the right to choose? Really? Then why is the popular strawman stereotype that you guys want guns to be spread about easily everywhere? I know that doesn't reflect the complexities of everyday people and I'm not getting into that whole abortion issue, it's just amusing, as I'd said. More like, as Mr. Carlin had famously joked about, "Their right to decide which people should live or die."

Heading to bed. Night, all.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I bet you fricking loved South Park growing up.

No, I always preferred The Simpsons and King of the Hill.

Besides, I already broke out of the rut and gave my support to the one person who's advocating police and criminal justice reform I think will actually try, and not just hollow campaign promises. In a crucial swing state, as well. Don't know what else you expect, but keep on making friends there.

When the whole system is so rotted and decayed you can't get anything done, what system is that? A bad one. And I hold no political office nor any kind of public visibility, so little I can do past what I just said.

If you want to get rid of the whole system, you should become a Radical Leftist.

[Antiboyscout]

The Right: We believe life is so sacred, we'll make it hard for a woman to have the right to choose!
Also The Right: We must have guns to protect ourselves, so we'll make those super easy to get!

Unless a fetus is trying to mug me with a knife, there is zero overlap between those two ideas that conflict.

People who are anti-death penalty on the other hand.
We have reached a point where some people believe that murder is not worthy of death, but being an inconvenience to you mom is.

[Captain Crimson]

I bet you fricking loved South Park growing up.

No, I always preferred The Simpsons and King of the Hill.

Besides, I already broke out of the rut and gave my support to the one person who's advocating police and criminal justice reform I think will actually try, and not just hollow campaign promises. In a crucial swing state, as well. Don't know what else you expect, but keep on making friends there.

When the whole system is so rotted and decayed you can't get anything done, what system is that? A bad one. And I hold no political office nor any kind of public visibility, so little I can do past what I just said.

If you want to get rid of the whole system, you should become a Radical Leftist.

Just because I admit it's a bad system does NOT equate to me wanting that system gone. I've read up on what has happened when the system's collapsed, whether due to wartime situations or an economy crash in peacetime, that's very sobering. Without the system, we'd have anarchy and lawlessness. The irony here being I do think a lot of the left's values hold promise, but with all things in a system, they will take time to develop. I would say that's why we need the left and right. The left can lead us into the future, and the right is here to keep us grounded in the past so we don't stray too far, too fast. At least in theory, since it doesn't always work out that way.

The Right: We believe life is so sacred, we'll make it hard for a woman to have the right to choose!
Also The Right: We must have guns to protect ourselves, so we'll make those super easy to get!

Unless a fetus is trying to mug me with a knife, there is zero overlap between those two ideas that conflict.

People who are anti-death penalty on the other hand.
We have reached a point where some people believe that murder is not worthy of death, but being an inconvenience to you mom is.

It's a bit hypocritical to preach how life is so sacred, you want guns to be mass proliferated and easy to access, yes? What's sacred to life? Spreading more death and murder, of course! Same way a lot of the religious right, while not passing judgment on them as people, cling to Jesus so much, they have divorced themselves from his message, which was peace, goodwill on Earth, and pacifism to the point he let himself die. I've met the sort, with big trucks, beards, sunglasses, baseball caps, and guns. Like I'd said, that's not judgment, but you probably know the image I'm talking about. It's also hypocrisy to claim Jesus when that's not what he was about. He wouldn't shun them, but it's my larger point most people need a healthy dose of perspective, and as human beings, we get way too caught up in our point of view.

[Makeshift Python]

As George Carlin once said, the "sanctity of life" is just a bunch of bullshit.

[Captain Crimson]

As George Carlin once said, the "sanctity of life" is just a bunch of bullshit.

Not so fast there! I will also double down on this, to say that the same way the religious right cannot claim Jesus Christ if he returned, to cite an example, neither can leftist woke hippie types who name-drop Jesus all the time. For the reason the religious right tend to be militaristic anti-Muslim gun-toters, while the left is all about purity politics. Thus he would never associate with the right as they're about violence and would dislike his skin color while the left's purity politics and an obsession with moralizing would ensure to merely try to walk among the right-wingers would be met with scorn in today's age and thus he'd be boycotted and shut down while he preached trying to forgive and understand them. We got no place for tolerance in a radical country on the brink of another civil war! It would honestly be quite amusing if somehow he did return, just to watch that play out, who causes the disruption first, the right or left.