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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:12 am Good to see another of Elon's bad ideas failing. Shame it was propped up with so much government money though.

As opposed to what, NASA?

Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:26 pm

Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:14 pm

Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:09 am It's almost like privatizing the space industry was a bad idea that just lets the richest man in the world steal billions of dollars from the American Public.

SpaceX can at least get crew and supplies to the space station. NASA's regular contract for developing a manned vehicle with Boeing is way over budget and behind schedule with myriad design problems.

I'm not sure how that actually contradicts my point. Unless Boeing suddenly became a government owned corporation like USPS when I wasn't looking.

Personally I think we should just use a Soyuz copy or derivative, it's a proven reliable technology that you could then tweak and improve on as necessary.

By that standard, the space program was always privatized from before NASA was NASA.

I just want more people to go into space, will this get in the closer at of that goal?

Frustration wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:54 pm

Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:12 am Good to see another of Elon's bad ideas failing. Shame it was propped up with so much government money though.

As opposed to what, NASA?

SpaceX was a private vanity project propped up by government fundings. NASA is a government project our entire society reaps the rewards from.

Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:04 am

Frustration wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:54 pm

Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:12 am Good to see another of Elon's bad ideas failing. Shame it was propped up with so much government money though.

As opposed to what, NASA?

SpaceX was a private vanity project propped up by government fundings. NASA is a government project our entire society reaps the rewards from.

Because an enterprise is in the private sector does not mean the entire society does no real benefits from it. To suggest otherwise is pure ignorance.

The US has manned spaceflight capability to LEO right now because of SpaceX. Otherwise, we would still be begging rides from the Russians for at least another year because the traditional NASA program built by Boeing is riddled with issues.

Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:04 am SpaceX was a private vanity project propped up by government fundings. NASA is a government project our entire society reaps the rewards from.

And if NASA had produced many rewards, that would be a much better argument.

The kind of work that produces valuable scientific returns is precisely what scientists have to fight NASA tooth and nail to accomplish. It's welfare for the aerospace industry, in case some nation decides to put weapons in orbit or looks like it might somehow make space profitable.

One of the more amusing claims in history is that America won the space race. But objectively, yes it put the first man on the Moon, but Russia has done more, both before and after, when it comes to space exploration. First man in space, first woman in space, first animal, first satellite, first probe on the Moon, first space station, first spacewalk, being America's taxi when they retired the space shuttle.

The fairest thing I can say is that America is probably going to win the commercial space race. But that's only until China decides to enter the fray; they've now got Moon capability and are planning to put their own space station in orbit. Don't count out the first man on Mars being Chinese either.

It is utterly unimportant if some human is placed on Mars if nothing is ever done to actually establish a human presence in space. The ISS is simply useless - vibrations make it useless for the only useful function ever proposed for it.

Frustration wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:44 pm

Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:04 am SpaceX was a private vanity project propped up by government fundings. NASA is a government project our entire society reaps the rewards from.

And if NASA had produced many rewards, that would be a much better argument.

The kind of work that produces valuable scientific returns is precisely what scientists have to fight NASA tooth and nail to accomplish. It's welfare for the aerospace industry, in case some nation decides to put weapons in orbit or looks like it might somehow make space profitable.

The technology produced in the space program has practical applications outside of space travel.

Yes we need to go into space more.