Bruce Willis Retires from acting due to aphasia

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Beastro wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 4:46 am
McAvoy wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 5:43 am Suffering is just suffering. People you are able to gain something from it positive or negative is because of them. We may learn from it is only because of our ability to do so.
Why is suffering a sensation in our lives? What is it there for us to feel it? Same as pain.

It is certainly not a happy thing, that isn't its place in our lives.
That woman who had five still births? Such a great lesson.
My grandmother had six.
That person whose body is slowly turning to bone? Such a great suffering to behold. Sure that person enjoys that.
My mother had a stroke two years ago. I found her on the floor of the her living room having laid there for three days. She survived and is now in a care home because she's paralyzed on her right side and constantly gets nerve pain in the right arm due to its inactivity.
All those childhood diseases, cancers, or birth defects? Great lessons for the parents.
My house got renovated at 11 and black mold was ripped out. I health never fully recovered and I began to miss enough school that places kept asking me to leave despite my above average grades, even continuing education.

On top of that I lived in a house with active emotional and verbal abuse from my father as well as neglect when my mom broke down herself mentally and became emotionally unavailable having given up on life.

I have had decades of life taken from me and still endure pain every day of my life with what I'm still dealing with.

But at the very least, I can understand what others are going through enough to know that I don't understand their unique hell. I certainly will never say as has been said to me to just snap out of all of this or that the reasons for what they're dealing with are excuses and the details behind them are bullshit.

That intimate understanding helps. My mother lived with what neurologist called "one giant headache her entire life", something our neighbour couldn't understand because he'd never had a headache in his entire life and concluded that she was just making them up in her mind, that she should just not think of the headaches anymore and they'd vanish. He had no idea what the hell he was talking about because he'd never suffered one himself.

And this is just one aspect of suffering that brings good into our lives. I could go into others, like the year I lived on barely anything and lost 110 lbs, yet, the major thing I can remember are the small moments of enjoyment carved out from that hellish year and what that time built in me overcoming it that helped me so much.

But even then, I still understand the bitterness in your post as it is the human position we naturally take just as we hate pain even if it keeps us from worse cuts and breaks (And DON'T get me started on chronic pain. You do not want to get into a comparing contest with me about THAT!).
Suffering is there because it's part of the world in which there is pain receptors and a brain to have mental distress. That's it.

Humans are capable of using that suffering to maybe learn from it.

Whst you have been talking about is empathy. You don't even need to suffer to understand those in suffering.

When people talk about suffering in a negative way its usually in connection with some religious aspect to it.

Why would a just God have a mother lose her child to some horrible childhood cancer to just teach her a lesson?

The usual explanation is that this is just world we live in and there is no higher reasoning behind anything. Someone suffers, the rest of the world moves on.
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If you're going to define a deity as being just, then what it does is just.

If you're going to assert that an event is unjust, you need to explain what your criteria for justice are, and why they are more than just your opinion.
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Frustration wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 10:47 pm If you're going to define a deity as being just, then what it does is just.

If you're going to assert that an event is unjust, you need to explain what your criteria for justice are, and why they are more than just your opinion.
This is what I will assert. It's my opinion. I am not going to debate belief systems, definitions or philosophy. I am not going to spend the next ten pages or more going back and forth with you about the concepts of unjust, justice, and what a deity should of should not do or debate if one exists or not.

Because you know that will happen. And this is about Bruce Willis retiring.
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If there was no pain then we wouldn’t have very effective means to avert death. I at least thought that much was obvious lol.
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I can't imagine a universe that 'works' and also makes human beings immune to suffering or mental decay. How would that even be possible?

I feel for Mr. Willis and his family, but I just don't believe his medical condition is cosmically unjust. It just... sucks a lot. Like with Pratchett, only worse.

They'll be in my thoughts.
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Frustration wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 8:34 pm I can't imagine a universe that 'works' and also makes human beings immune to suffering or mental decay. How would that even be possible?
That much is obvious, but the implications of intelligent design tend to linger. I hope at least that clearspura is referring to a person that both designed the universe and gave us suffering… but as a social purpose and not a purely naturous biological directive. Which of course no priest that takes themselves seriously in a modern context would give proclamation to, but does serve well as a straw man for putting down plebs on the Internet.

Most any religion depends on evaluating social context for the purpose of assessing social dilemmas, and not ramifications of specimen engineering with billions of years of preceding time in consideration.
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Philosophically it’s not very complicated. We have free will and pleasure. Things we highly value, but also recognize caveats in association with. That actually is addressed by theologians and keeps respect to both physical and social laws.
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We have free will and pleasure.
Well, we certainly have pleasure. 'Free will' is rarely defined well enough to analyze - and when it is, we virtually always turn out not to have it.

There is chance, and causality: that is all.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 5:50 pm If there was no pain then we wouldn’t have very effective means to avert death. I at least thought that much was obvious lol.
Pain and suffering are different.

Pain is what we experience and suffering is how we deal with it.

Anyway pain is needed. Look up people who have no pain. They are constantly injuring themselves without knowing it. Even to the point of permanent disfigurement.
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McAvoy wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 12:57 amYou don't even need to suffer to understand those in suffering.
For many, yes, they do.

The same goes for mental health issues. Barbara Bush is an example who admitted she was critical and looked own on those with depression until she found herself struggling with it.
Suffering is there because it's part of the world in which there is pain receptors and a brain to have mental distress. That's it.
There's more it beyond that level of being. We as people do not operate on that level, we operate on the level of meaning. The whole issue of justness/unjustness is a part of this.
Why would a just God have a mother lose her child to some horrible childhood cancer to just teach her a lesson?
Who says God made that happen? Who says it was a lesson?
McAvoy wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 3:44 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 5:50 pm If there was no pain then we wouldn’t have very effective means to avert death. I at least thought that much was obvious lol.
Pain and suffering are different.

Pain is what we experience and suffering is how we deal with it.

Anyway pain is needed. Look up people who have no pain. They are constantly injuring themselves without knowing it. Even to the point of permanent disfigurement.
Suffering is needed as well, but it is the crossroads at which people find out who they are. Some suffering and find the suffering betters them, others do shit like go on a mass shooting out of resentment.
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