"Misgendering," Arrests, and the UK

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Teh gays and the bisexuals proved themselves to be pretty damn competent and built civilizations despite those qualities.

I am not sure how historically successful the transgender identity is .

Extremely.
Sumeria was the birthplace of civilization as we understand the term, and the priestesses and priests of the goddess Inanna were traditionally chosen from the ranks of trans people. A trans man was the gynecologist in victorian england who figured out how to deliver babies without giving serious infections.

Just because you haven't heard of transgender people until recently, doesn't mean that they haven't been movers and shakers before people figured out that you shouldn't drink from the body of water you shit in.

None of those obscure facts scream to me that we should teach about transgendersim in schools and tv shows or there need to be a ton of new laws and everyone should care about this at this moment.

First, it's obscure because people actively work to suppress, erase, and hide it.

Second, it's not "transgenderism" and I think you should know that by now. Take a few seconds to google the subject (or better yet, look it up with Goodsearch) and inform yourslef.

Third, we should teach it because transgender people exist, have existed, made impacts on history, and they are being actively rubbed out of history books, We should teach it because oh so many people want to act like transgender identity is a fad created by tumblr three years ago instead of a human phenomenon at least as old as written language.

We need laws because transgender people get murdered a lot, get sent into conversion camps by their parents a lot, and kill themselves under the pressure of a transphobic society before they are old enough to drive a car.

[Karha of Honor]

Don't hide behind biological determinism. You CHOOSE to be this way.

Tell me about my terribleness please...

I'm not calling you terrible. I'm calling on you to stop saying "blame my parents" when you present your views. Take ownership of what you say or shut your piehole.

What the fuck gave you the i mpression that i said my views come from my ancestors?

Teh gays and the bisexuals proved themselves to be pretty damn competent and built civilizations despite those qualities.

I am not sure how historically successful the transgender identity is .

Extremely.
Sumeria was the birthplace of civilization as we understand the term, and the priestesses and priests of the goddess Inanna were traditionally chosen from the ranks of trans people. A trans man was the gynecologist in victorian england who figured out how to deliver babies without giving serious infections.

Just because you haven't heard of transgender people until recently, doesn't mean that they haven't been movers and shakers before people figured out that you shouldn't drink from the body of water you shit in.

None of those obscure facts scream to me that we should teach about transgendersim in schools and tv shows or there need to be a ton of new laws and everyone should care about this at this moment.

First, it's obscure because people actively work to suppress, erase, and hide it.

Second, it's not "transgenderism" and I think you should know that by now. Take a few seconds to google the subject (or better yet, look it up with Goodsearch) and inform yourslef.

Third, we should teach it because transgender people exist, have existed, made impacts on history, and they are being actively rubbed out of history books, We should teach it because oh so many people want to act like transgender identity is a fad created by tumblr three years ago instead of a human phenomenon at least as old as written language.

We need laws because transgender people get murdered a lot, get sent into conversion camps by their parents a lot, and kill themselves under the pressure of a transphobic society before they are old enough to drive a car.

No it's pretty damn historically obscure. People were not very fond of eunuch's historically and they did not see them or transgenders as crucial building blocks of civilization.

Google it is never a fucking argument ever.

Rubbed out of history books... Why should they be in general history book a student encounters before College as someone who specifically studies history?

Sorry, i don't trust the current Left not to overreach to the point of absurdity.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Actually yeah Slash didn't really mean biological determinism. Evolution has more to do with natural selection on a macro scale instead of individual perseverance, but I'm fairly certain that the latter's what was being said.

[clearspira]

Is the "beyond the bounds of research," pertaining to social/psycho/neuro implications?

If so I feel we do know a bit about hormones in the form of testosterone and estrogen that lead not only to physical characteristics, but I'd think the more brainy ones listed above as well.

Sorry, in the sense of “there’s no way to test a gender-deconstructed human response experimentally because there’s no ethical way to raise someone outside our existing concept of gender and gender norms”.
You can certainly find historical comparisons or study cultural differences for variations but that’s still a very different thing with much more modest findings.

Google David Reimer.

And your take on this?

He's proof that there is such a thing as ''natural'' and well as ''nurtured'' gender.

With this case for consideration, the natural gender turned out to align with the sex at birth contrary to the nurtured gender...

Exactly. We have in effect an example of a ''reverse transgender'' to lack a better word. It proves that you cannot just dress someone up differently and change their genitals to make someone mentally the opposite sex. It something you are born with.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Is the "beyond the bounds of research," pertaining to social/psycho/neuro implications?

If so I feel we do know a bit about hormones in the form of testosterone and estrogen that lead not only to physical characteristics, but I'd think the more brainy ones listed above as well.

Sorry, in the sense of “there’s no way to test a gender-deconstructed human response experimentally because there’s no ethical way to raise someone outside our existing concept of gender and gender norms”.
You can certainly find historical comparisons or study cultural differences for variations but that’s still a very different thing with much more modest findings.

Google David Reimer.

And your take on this?

He's proof that there is such a thing as ''natural'' and well as ''nurtured'' gender.

With this case for consideration, the natural gender turned out to align with the sex at birth contrary to the nurtured gender...

Exactly. We have in effect an example of a ''reverse transgender'' to lack a better word. It proves that you cannot just dress someone up differently and change their genitals to make someone mentally the opposite sex. It something you are born with.

All but proves. The social conditions up to his retransition, etc, all the way to his suicide could have been more significant exterior influences to the more natural constructs.

While I do imagine the physiological factors could have had a profound influence on his outlook, what CmdrKing says about the physical support for transgenderism does sound like a reciprocal of this case on the psycho/neuro side of things.