On Political Violence

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Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:"Anti-fascists are the real fascists."- A fascist.
Define what is a fascist today. What do they believe? What books define them?
This is a good starting point. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Okay, how many US citizens advocate that?
Well, there's the 63 million who voted for Donald Trump.

No, really. Trump fits 11 attributes of fascism. https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... 17e2135d40

Yes, yes, I'm sure a lot of them are ignorant enough that they don't know they were supporting a fascist, but I doubt that'll be any consolation to the people already hurt/soon to be hurt by the policies of this adminstration.
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Arkle wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:"Anti-fascists are the real fascists."- A fascist.
Define what is a fascist today. What do they believe? What books define them?
This is a good starting point. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Okay, how many US citizens advocate that?
Well, there's the 63 million who voted for Donald Trump.

No, really. Trump fits 11 attributes of fascism. https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... 17e2135d40

Yes, yes, I'm sure a lot of them are ignorant enough that they don't know they were supporting a fascist, but I doubt that'll be any consolation to the people already hurt/soon to be hurt by the policies of this adminstration.
Plenty of other past presidents also do fit a lot with that list. Why is he special?
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Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:"Anti-fascists are the real fascists."- A fascist.
Define what is a fascist today. What do they believe? What books define them?
This is a good starting point. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Okay, how many US citizens advocate that?
Well, there's the 63 million who voted for Donald Trump.

No, really. Trump fits 11 attributes of fascism. https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... 17e2135d40

Yes, yes, I'm sure a lot of them are ignorant enough that they don't know they were supporting a fascist, but I doubt that'll be any consolation to the people already hurt/soon to be hurt by the policies of this adminstration.
Plenty of other past presidents also do fit a lot with that list. Why is he special?
Did they though? I mean, a lot of people called Obama a fascist, but it was for things that weren't even remotely fascist. Fascist regimes generally don't expand protections for marginalized communties (protections which the Trump admin is openly repealing/trying to repeal) like Obama did for LGBTQ citizens; and that's just one example.
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Arkle wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:"Anti-fascists are the real fascists."- A fascist.
Define what is a fascist today. What do they believe? What books define them?
This is a good starting point. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Okay, how many US citizens advocate that?
Well, there's the 63 million who voted for Donald Trump.

No, really. Trump fits 11 attributes of fascism. https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... 17e2135d40

Yes, yes, I'm sure a lot of them are ignorant enough that they don't know they were supporting a fascist, but I doubt that'll be any consolation to the people already hurt/soon to be hurt by the policies of this adminstration.
Plenty of other past presidents also do fit a lot with that list. Why is he special?
Did they though? I mean, a lot of people called Obama a fascist, but it was for things that weren't even remotely fascist. Fascist regimes generally don't expand protections for marginalized communties (protections which the Trump admin is openly repealing/trying to repeal) like Obama did for LGBTQ citizens; and that's just one example.
They create division and bat shit insane culturekampf. Obama certainly achieved that.
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Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:"Anti-fascists are the real fascists."- A fascist.
Define what is a fascist today. What do they believe? What books define them?
This is a good starting point. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Okay, how many US citizens advocate that?
Well, there's the 63 million who voted for Donald Trump.

No, really. Trump fits 11 attributes of fascism. https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... 17e2135d40

Yes, yes, I'm sure a lot of them are ignorant enough that they don't know they were supporting a fascist, but I doubt that'll be any consolation to the people already hurt/soon to be hurt by the policies of this adminstration.
Plenty of other past presidents also do fit a lot with that list. Why is he special?
Did they though? I mean, a lot of people called Obama a fascist, but it was for things that weren't even remotely fascist. Fascist regimes generally don't expand protections for marginalized communties (protections which the Trump admin is openly repealing/trying to repeal) like Obama did for LGBTQ citizens; and that's just one example.
They create division and bat shit insane culturekampf. Obama certainly achieved that.
No, that would be the racists who freaked out over a Black President who did that. Saying "Obama is a divisive figure" is like saying that Princess Leia blew up Alderaan. If anything, Obama was way too nice to the opposition, who cared more about stopping him from doing anything, including things that they had previously shown support for, than actually doing their jobs as elected officials. You want to blame Obama for the racist freka-out over him? Fine. Just understand that makes you as big an asshole as people who blame rape victims for their assault.
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Wow, you got Vinod to admit trump is a fascist.
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Arkle wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:
Agent Vinod wrote:
Arkle wrote:"Anti-fascists are the real fascists."- A fascist.
Define what is a fascist today. What do they believe? What books define them?
This is a good starting point. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Okay, how many US citizens advocate that?
Well, there's the 63 million who voted for Donald Trump.

No, really. Trump fits 11 attributes of fascism. https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... 17e2135d40

Yes, yes, I'm sure a lot of them are ignorant enough that they don't know they were supporting a fascist, but I doubt that'll be any consolation to the people already hurt/soon to be hurt by the policies of this adminstration.
Plenty of other past presidents also do fit a lot with that list. Why is he special?
Did they though? I mean, a lot of people called Obama a fascist, but it was for things that weren't even remotely fascist. Fascist regimes generally don't expand protections for marginalized communties (protections which the Trump admin is openly repealing/trying to repeal) like Obama did for LGBTQ citizens; and that's just one example.
They create division and bat shit insane culturekampf. Obama certainly achieved that.
No, that would be the racists who freaked out over a Black President who did that. Saying "Obama is a divisive figure" is like saying that Princess Leia blew up Alderaan. If anything, Obama was way too nice to the opposition, who cared more about stopping him from doing anything, including things that they had previously shown support for, than actually doing their jobs as elected officials. You want to blame Obama for the racist freka-out over him? Fine. Just understand that makes you as big an asshole as people who blame rape victims for their assault.
Motherfucka killed babies with drones and made no apologies, wanted get Fox News out of the press briefings with no right wing replacements,l 2 seconds after he was for gay marriage used gays in a propaganda war against Russia etc...i could go on. What would had being nastier had accomplished for your side? I am alright with your fake ass moral judgement, i give zero fucks about it. What massive racist freakout and how did it manifest itself?
SuccubusYuri wrote:Wow, you got Vinod to admit trump is a fascist.
Where?
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Agent Vinod wrote:Motherfucka killed babies with drones and made no apologies,
Which is bad. But he didn't create that program, the previous President did. AND, Obama's successor has already stepped that program up. So the worst you can say about Obama here is that he failed to correct a grave error of his predecessor. It sucks, I hope it doesn't come across as me saying it doesn't, but there's a gulf between "blameless" and "gets all the blame."
wanted get Fox News out of the press briefings with no right wing replacements,
This is not a bad thing, seeing as Fox News is a Right Wing propaganda network. Also, it ended up not happening.
l 2 seconds after he was for gay marriage used gays in a propaganda war against Russia etc...
Um, what? What Alex Jones nonsense is this?
i could go on. What would had being nastier had accomplished for your side?

He didn't have to be nasty neccesarily, just stop reaching your hand out to someone who keeps slapping it away.
I am alright with your fake ass moral judgement, i give zero fucks about it.
Nothing fake about it, sparky.
What massive racist freakout and how did it manifest itself?
Apparently you were blind, illiterate, and deaf during the 8 years of the Obama admin, where membership in White Supremacist groups spiked, and where the first Black President received more death threats than any other President in American history, and where the Tea Party protests were replete with racist signs, and where the GOP would attack Obama for doing things (good, bad, or mixed) that every or almost every other President had done before with nary a single complaint.
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GOP would attack Obama for doing things (good, bad, or mixed) that every or almost every other President had done before with nary a single complaint.
Really? I guess you were blind during the days where the Democrats were doing the same thing with Bush. Quit pretending you are so high and mighty there. You are just another Donk who is outraged over trump being trump, who can practically pass the same EO Obama pulled and you'll rage as you are deranged.

And before you get pissy with me, I didn't vote for either idiot. I remember you trying to shame me as well.
Fox News is a Right Wing propaganda network.
LOL, yeah I'm not even going to pay attention to you now. Totally not a sign of someone who is closed minded.
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KesaraRiku wrote:I guess you were blind during the days where the Democrats were doing the same thing with Bush.
Um, no they weren't.
Quit pretending you are so high and mighty there. You are just another Donk who is outraged over trump being trump, who can practically pass the same EO Obama pulled and you'll rage as you are deranged.
The same? How? No, really, how? What EO that Rapey McTinyhands signed that's been exactly the same as any signed by Obama?
And before you get pissy with me, I didn't vote for either idiot. I remember you trying to shame me as well.

I don't really need to shame you, you're doing a fine job of that all by your lonesome
Fox News is a Right Wing propaganda network.
LOL, yeah I'm not even going to pay attention to you now. Totally not a sign of someone who is closed minded.
You meant this as a burn? Wow, you really are a Grade A moron aren't you? "You're closed minded because you won't take GOP propaganda at face value!" *eyeroll* Go to 4chan, numbnuts. Go there and for once you'll be the smartest person in the group.
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