The Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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Re: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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clearspira wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 5:04 pm Putin cannot be allowed to feel embarrassed. He will prefer nukes to that I promise you.
That is what scares me.
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phantom000 wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 6:31 pm
clearspira wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 5:04 pm Putin cannot be allowed to feel embarrassed. He will prefer nukes to that I promise you.
That is what scares me.
Out of everything, nuclear threat is the thing that scares you most?
..What mirror universe?
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:36 pm
phantom000 wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 6:31 pm
clearspira wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 5:04 pm Putin cannot be allowed to feel embarrassed. He will prefer nukes to that I promise you.
That is what scares me.
Out of everything, nuclear threat is the thing that scares you most?
As a fairly apathetic person. Isn't that a good one to be afraid of?
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Re: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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Nealithi wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:54 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:36 pm
phantom000 wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 6:31 pm
clearspira wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 5:04 pm Putin cannot be allowed to feel embarrassed. He will prefer nukes to that I promise you.
That is what scares me.
Out of everything, nuclear threat is the thing that scares you most?
As a fairly apathetic person. Isn't that a good one to be afraid of?
I suppose there's worse.
..What mirror universe?
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Re: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:53 pm
Nealithi wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:54 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:36 pm
phantom000 wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 6:31 pm
clearspira wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 5:04 pm Putin cannot be allowed to feel embarrassed. He will prefer nukes to that I promise you.
That is what scares me.
Out of everything, nuclear threat is the thing that scares you most?
As a fairly apathetic person. Isn't that a good one to be afraid of?
I suppose there's worse.
People have argued that Putin will not use nukes because there is no conceivable scenario where he would benefit from it. The problem with that argument is that it effectively summarizes this entire war. He came very close to breaking Ukraine in the first couple months but he has been losing troops, materials and ground ever sense and the last few weeks those loses have accelerated. So how is he supposed to come out on top when the dust settles?

It feels like he will fight on to the bitter end more for his own vanity than serving his country and if that is the case there is not much reason not to drop a couple nukes just to spike Ukraine. And if the nukes start flying there is no guessing where it will end and that is what I'm afraid of.
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Well this conversation took a distressing turn. :|
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Re: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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phantom000 wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:22 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:53 pm
Nealithi wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:54 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:36 pm
phantom000 wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 6:31 pm
clearspira wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 5:04 pm Putin cannot be allowed to feel embarrassed. He will prefer nukes to that I promise you.
That is what scares me.
Out of everything, nuclear threat is the thing that scares you most?
As a fairly apathetic person. Isn't that a good one to be afraid of?
I suppose there's worse.
People have argued that Putin will not use nukes because there is no conceivable scenario where he would benefit from it. The problem with that argument is that it effectively summarizes this entire war. He came very close to breaking Ukraine in the first couple months but he has been losing troops, materials and ground ever sense and the last few weeks those loses have accelerated. So how is he supposed to come out on top when the dust settles?

It feels like he will fight on to the bitter end more for his own vanity than serving his country and if that is the case there is not much reason not to drop a couple nukes just to spike Ukraine. And if the nukes start flying there is no guessing where it will end and that is what I'm afraid of.
I think what a lot of people forget is that Putin has a fully equipped bunker with enough food and water to last years. In a nuclear war, he'll be the last one to die. And that is the true tragedy of nuclear war. The men that brought us to the end of the Earth will be the least punished.
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Re: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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clearspira wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:27 am
phantom000 wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:22 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:53 pm
Nealithi wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:54 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:36 pm
phantom000 wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 6:31 pm
clearspira wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 5:04 pm Putin cannot be allowed to feel embarrassed. He will prefer nukes to that I promise you.
That is what scares me.
Out of everything, nuclear threat is the thing that scares you most?
As a fairly apathetic person. Isn't that a good one to be afraid of?
I suppose there's worse.
People have argued that Putin will not use nukes because there is no conceivable scenario where he would benefit from it. The problem with that argument is that it effectively summarizes this entire war. He came very close to breaking Ukraine in the first couple months but he has been losing troops, materials and ground ever sense and the last few weeks those loses have accelerated. So how is he supposed to come out on top when the dust settles?

It feels like he will fight on to the bitter end more for his own vanity than serving his country and if that is the case there is not much reason not to drop a couple nukes just to spike Ukraine. And if the nukes start flying there is no guessing where it will end and that is what I'm afraid of.
I think what a lot of people forget is that Putin has a fully equipped bunker with enough food and water to last years. In a nuclear war, he'll be the last one to die. And that is the true tragedy of nuclear war. The men that brought us to the end of the Earth will be the least punished.
Yeah a basement of 80 year old rations left over from wwII and reusable candles. Sounds delightful.
..What mirror universe?
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Or the rumors that he's dying are true and he has nothing to lose.
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Re: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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hammerofglass wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:49 pm Or the rumors that he's dying are true and he has nothing to lose.
People have been saying he's been dying since the war started and there is still no outward evidence of it apart from ''a strange look''. Meanwhile Joe Biden (whom people keep trying to convince me is just fine) has fallen over twenty times and keeps on forgetting what he is talking about.
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