The great 2020 election thread....

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I think he meant Trump.

[Captain Crimson]

I think he meant Trump.

I'd said it before, while I'm not a fan, I can't help but wonder if Mr. Sanders should have got the nod. Sure, the same flaws in Mr. Biden are present there, but young people love him, for some baffling reason. Since to them, his flaws came at the peak of sixties unrest, and they never grew up during that. So, you gotta give the people what they want, IMO. It's just very hard for me to take him seriously given his statements about Mr. Castro and Mr. JFK, even if he gets a lot of other things right. But at least democrats could feel much closer to their core values than they are now.

Speaking of that, I'd much prefer someone like Mr. JFK. Though I think the last one we got like that was Mr. Carter, and he was just a one-termer. His best humanitarian projects came once he was out of the WH.

[Draco Dracul]

I think he meant Trump.

I'd said it before, while I'm not a fan, I can't help but wonder if Mr. Sanders should have got the nod. Sure, the same flaws in Mr. Biden are present there, but young people love him, for some baffling reason. Since to them, his flaws came at the peak of sixties unrest, and they never grew up during that. So, you gotta give the people what they want, IMO. It's just very hard for me to take him seriously given his statements about Mr. Castro and Mr. JFK, even if he gets a lot of other things right. But at least democrats could feel much closer to their core values than they are now.

Sanders problem is that he's so concerned with his personal brand that he's failed to build any kind of sustained block in congress despite spending three decades there. I actually think a Bernie Sanders that didn't chance a single policy position, but was a democrat from day one he probably could have won, or at least would have made it a very close fight as he wouldn't have turned off so many older black voters.

Speaking of that, I'd much prefer someone like Mr. JFK. Though I think the last one we got like that was Mr. Carter, and he was just a one-termer. His best humanitarian projects came once he was out of the WH.

I actually think JFK, and the lionization of him, represents a major problem with American Politics. JFK basically accomplished little of note beyond solving the Cuban Missile Crisis (which he escalated to the brink) and escalating the Vietnam War. His actual contributions to Civil Rights in terms of actual policy are fairly meager on the ground, and much of the actual push within the administration came from his brother and from LBJ, both of whom where more invested in the cause than he was. But because he was charismatic, attractive, and died young he gets a lot of credit for Civil Rights legislation of the 60s despite dragging his feet on it, and avoids blame for the Vietnam war despite Johnson's policies in Vietnam being largely extensions of Kennedy's policies.

[clearspira]

do you think Biden would have been a better choice for president over Biden? Not being American I don't know much about him.

Yeah. Biden's such a bad choice, Biden is better choice than Biden.
/sarcasm

I have no disrespect for clearspira, yet even that had me scratching my head.

The other stuff said felt very on-point. We have a lot more going for us in our society, yet it feels like we're taking a dozen steps backward at lightning speed and the overall sentiment is hardly optimistic.

It's why I laugh at Mr. Biden's empty political talk. He can't unite us. He can't heal us. Mr. Obama at his prime couldn't do that, and he was younger and charismatic.

I just noticed what I did. I meant to say ''Sanders''. Would ''Sanders'' have made a better president in your opinion?
Sometimes I do make myself look like a right tit.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I think he meant Trump.

I'd said it before, while I'm not a fan, I can't help but wonder if Mr. Sanders should have got the nod. Sure, the same flaws in Mr. Biden are present there, but young people love him, for some baffling reason. Since to them, his flaws came at the peak of sixties unrest, and they never grew up during that. So, you gotta give the people what they want, IMO. It's just very hard for me to take him seriously given his statements about Mr. Castro and Mr. JFK, even if he gets a lot of other things right. But at least democrats could feel much closer to their core values than they are now.

Speaking of that, I'd much prefer someone like Mr. JFK. Though I think the last one we got like that was Mr. Carter, and he was just a one-termer. His best humanitarian projects came once he was out of the WH.

Curious, how does young people loving him influence whether he's a formidable president or not?

[Captain Crimson]

I think Mr. Sanders would have got very little done, but there'd be more of a sense of a mandate if he'd won against Mr. 45. Both he and Mr. Biden would be lame-duck administrations, so why not feel as if you're closer to what your core values used to be? You know, before the big tech takeover.

As it is, there's only a sense of Mr. Biden's mandate being "not Trump." Which is pretty flimsy, since not even his own supporters like what he says. At best, "policy over conduct."

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

So CC would prefer a president who gets shot in the head? I can't exactly blame him on that account.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

As it is, there's only a sense of Mr. Biden's mandate being "not Trump." Which is pretty flimsy, since not even his own supporters like what he says. At best, "policy over conduct."

That's really fine with me, considering the choice was between "not Trump" and "Trump."

[Captain Crimson]

As it is, there's only a sense of Mr. Biden's mandate being "not Trump." Which is pretty flimsy, since not even his own supporters like what he says. At best, "policy over conduct."

That's really fine with me, considering the choice was between "not Trump" and "Trump."

Then what happens in 2024? Really. Everyone was too quick to do this without really thinking about the consequences.

Because I personally think Mr. Biden is going to try to run again. Even though he'll be in his eighties, and whatever else you may think of him, Mr. 45 is right he couldn't draw huge crowds even if he wanted. COVID was a good cover. That won't hold in 2024.

Why wouldn't he? He's wanted the power for four decades, and irony of ironies, he's gonna get nothing done now. The job has the world almost quite literally revolve around you, and it just goes against human nature to think he'll step down. It's as silly and nonsensical as the tale of Cincinnatus from Roman propagandist Livy in ancient times.

And he's just too old.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

As it is, there's only a sense of Mr. Biden's mandate being "not Trump." Which is pretty flimsy, since not even his own supporters like what he says. At best, "policy over conduct."

That's really fine with me, considering the choice was between "not Trump" and "Trump."

Then what happens in 2024? Really. Everyone was too quick to do this without really thinking about the consequences.

He does what any other president has done after their first term.