Another School Shooting, this time in Florida

[ORCACommander]

excalibur and unknown sample, We are nothing but what our media portray us as. And what our media portrays us as Mentally unstable mornons who's national pass time is unrestrained slaughter against targets that do not fight back. The British Isle gets portrayed as stiff, homogeneous and increasing under panoptic surveillance.

[excalibur]

Also they think gun owners are a bunch of white hillbillies when clearly I must be the whitest Chinaman in America

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Watched some of the news coverage of the march today. They sound like they are more interested in venting their frustrations rather than trying to fix or address the issue. The worst part was a student ranting and raving about the NRA. You despise gun violence so of course you attack a bunch of responsible, law-abiding gun owners who have been known advocates of gun safety and awareness? That makes as much sense as attacking the Danes because you want to stop the Nazis.

Also, its kinda funny that no one sees the absurdity of it. You want to use laws to keeps guns away from people who are experts at bypassing laws and evading detection? It's like putting some in a safe to keep it away from a safe-cracker, kinda defeats the whole point doesn't it?

Except gun laws actually do limit the access criminals have to guns. We've seen this in entire nations. My problem is so many people who act like "restrict it, regulate it, limit it" is an acceptable response to drugs, sex work, and other things, or just "ban it all!", but then act like laws are useless when it comes to guns. This is why I am forced to engage with Excaliber at another level of discourse, because I'm having to talk to somebody who shows actual consistency on this issue.

The NRA is not the collective sum of responsible gun owners in america. They are a powerful, corporate, lobbying group, interested in selling lots of guns and shutting down any motions that would jeopardize those profit motives.

Finally...why do you have to rip into a bunch of kids marching for their lives? Let's say they are just "venting their frustrations". Don't they have a right to do that on a national stage? Doesn't a kid who got splashed with the hot, salt blood of his classmate have a right to complain when he sees the people with the power to affect social change do nothing to prevent that from happening again?

[Karha of Honor]

Watched some of the news coverage of the march today. They sound like they are more interested in venting their frustrations rather than trying to fix or address the issue. The worst part was a student ranting and raving about the NRA. You despise gun violence so of course you attack a bunch of responsible, law-abiding gun owners who have been known advocates of gun safety and awareness? That makes as much sense as attacking the Danes because you want to stop the Nazis.

Also, its kinda funny that no one sees the absurdity of it. You want to use laws to keeps guns away from people who are experts at bypassing laws and evading detection? It's like putting some in a safe to keep it away from a safe-cracker, kinda defeats the whole point doesn't it?

Except gun laws actually do limit the access criminals have to guns. We've seen this in entire nations. My problem is so many people who act like "restrict it, regulate it, limit it" is an acceptable response to drugs, sex work, and other things, or just "ban it all!", but then act like laws are useless when it comes to guns. This is why I am forced to engage with Excaliber at another level of discourse, because I'm having to talk to somebody who shows actual consistency on this issue.

The NRA is not the collective sum of responsible gun owners in america. They are a powerful, corporate, lobbying group, interested in selling lots of guns and shutting down any motions that would jeopardize those profit motives.

Finally...why do you have to rip into a bunch of kids marching for their lives? Let's say they are just "venting their frustrations". Don't they have a right to do that on a national stage? Doesn't a kid who got splashed with the hot, salt blood of his classmate have a right to complain when he sees the people with the power to affect social change do nothing to prevent that from happening again?

How would you feel about the victims of Islamic honor killings getting a national platform for a month? Don't they have the right for a national stage?

What if the Bundy situation went really south?

[Admiral X]

Gun crime is on the upswing in London, BTW. Just thought I'd share.

[unknownsample]

excalibur and unknown sample, We are nothing but what our media portray us as. AnExcalibar d what our media portrays us as Mentally unstable mornons who's national pass time is unrestrained slaughter against targets that do not fight back. The British Isle gets portrayed as stiff, homogeneous and increasing under panoptic surveillance.

No Excalibur is playing deflection, he is reaching for anything to deflect away from America and its gun problem, from London being the acid attack capital of the world, to you can't buy a butter knife unless your're over 18, to you can't say what you think anymore, all to deflect from the very basic problem, America has too many guns.

[ORCACommander]

Guns are not he problem though. People are the problem.
We have Several Major factors contributing to violent crime:
Urban Population density keeps on increasing. This leads to classic resource conflict pressures
Part of the above but on a broader level cost of living is rapidly rising and wages have been declining in value for more than a generation at this point.
Economically depressed areas have no hope for getting out out of their situation so the people do nothing to rise above the abhorrent behavior of their peers and expend no effort at improving the situation except at the expense of their peers
Somewhere along the line "Might = Right" took hold and people are more inclined to use force to get what they want
Anger seems to have become a prime motivator supplanting logic, reasoning and discourse
A fundamental inability to recognize that maybe yourself may be the source of your own problems
I'll concede that a large body of firearm owners lack respect for their possessions

[excalibur]

excalibur and unknown sample, We are nothing but what our media portray us as. AnExcalibar d what our media portrays us as Mentally unstable mornons who's national pass time is unrestrained slaughter against targets that do not fight back. The British Isle gets portrayed as stiff, homogeneous and increasing under panoptic surveillance.

No Excalibur is playing deflection, he is reaching for anything to deflect away from America and its gun problem, from London being the acid attack capital of the world, to you can't buy a butter knife unless your're over 18, to you can't say what you think anymore, all to deflect from the very basic problem, America has too many guns.

You just like the other guy think guns enable people to do evil. Like drugs enable people. No. People make a choice to do bad things and it has nothing to do with how they do it.

[phantom000]

Except gun laws actually do limit the access criminals have to guns. We've seen this in entire nations. My problem is so many people who act like "restrict it, regulate it, limit it" is an acceptable response to drugs, sex work, and other things, or just "ban it all!", but then act like laws are useless when it comes to guns. This is why I am forced to engage with Excaliber at another level of discourse, because I'm having to talk to somebody who shows actual consistency on this issue.

The usual, pro-gun reply is 'if you outlaw guns then only the outlaws will have guns' and history does support that idea. We all know what happened when they banned alcohol back in the 1920's, how do you know the same thing won't happen with guns? And there are supposed to be limits on guns, which i do not mind. As a kid i remember fully automatic weapons were illegal and you could not have anything over a particular size. I remember something about trying to limit magazine size but i don't know if that ever got passed.

The NRA is not the collective sum of responsible gun owners in america. They are a powerful, corporate, lobbying group, interested in selling lots of guns and shutting down any motions that would jeopardize those profit motives.

I will admit it can be hard to be objective on this because i know several NRA members, one of which was my grandfather who was a life long NRA member.

Finally...why do you have to rip into a bunch of kids marching for their lives? Let's say they are just "venting their frustrations". Don't they have a right to do that on a national stage? Doesn't a kid who got splashed with the hot, salt blood of his classmate have a right to complain when he sees the people with the power to affect social change do nothing to prevent that from happening again?

It's a free country and free speech is the 1st amendment, firearms are the 2nd. But remember, no one has to listen to you or even care. It reminds of the Occupy Wall Street, remember that? What did it change? Nothing at all. It was a bunch of people making a loud noise over something they could not fix and had no idea how to address. And this march seems like exactly the same thing, people ranting and raving while not actually addressing the issue they want to fix.

Gun violence is a symptom, not a disease because what is stopping someone doing the same thing with a pipe-bomb? Are they going to demand restriction and regulation of gasoline if someone threw a molotov-cocktail into a class room?

[unknownsample]

This pretty much sums my view of the NRA