The great 2020 election thread....

[Yukaphile]

Also, enough with the goddamned virtue-signaling. This is something I really hate from the radical left. You think world is worse than it has ever been? Read about the 1940s, and how in many ways, we're still paying for the mistakes made in that era, and it'll really boil your blood. If we can't get justice for the people in that era, in terms of our perceptions and our morality and fighting the conventional wisdom, how do we expect to do so in the present?

[ProfessorDetective]

Also, enough with the goddamned virtue-signaling. This is something I really hate from the radical left. You think world is worse than it has ever been? Read about the 1940s, and how in many ways, we're still paying for the mistakes made in that era, and it'll really boil your blood. If we can't get justice for the people in that era, in terms of our perceptions and our morality and fighting the conventional wisdom, how do we expect to do so in the present?

Can you define 'virtue-signaling' for me? That's another one of those modern terms that can have a different meaning for each person.

[Yukaphile]

Purity politics and posturing moralism rather than sincere moralism, for show.

[CmdrKing]

Also, enough with the goddamned virtue-signaling. This is something I really hate from the radical left. You think world is worse than it has ever been? Read about the 1940s, and how in many ways, we're still paying for the mistakes made in that era, and it'll really boil your blood. If we can't get justice for the people in that era, in terms of our perceptions and our morality and fighting the conventional wisdom, how do we expect to do so in the present?

I'm afraid you're mixing me up with another poster, because for the life of me I can't imagine how you'd think I'm claiming the world is worse now than it was in the mid-20th century.

What I'm claiming is the world has many, many problems, and can be better. The existence of worst times in history do not negate real suffering right now.

Fuck, in your *PREVIOUS POST* you lamented the loss of progress from a 20 years ago! Which is something I think is a rosetta stone for our generation myself: the overnight way that the sense of optimism, and the world's ills being surmountable, vanished dealt a serious blow to our ability to see the world as being something we could affect real change on because it decided to be uglier and more violent almost on auto-pilot. It really seemed like everyone stopped thinking and working for a better world in favor of greed and bloodlust.

[Yukaphile]

... okay, that was putting words in your mouth. Sorry.

And no, world wasn't perfect 20 years ago. But at least the country FELT optimistic and didn't have a paranoia scapegoat like we did in that brief window. Whether that's the Russians/Soviets/Communism, or it's Muslims/terrorists/Russians/Christians/whatever. Plus economy was booming. Lots of kids born in the 1980s entering the market meant a culture of kids for kids. Plus innovation in the Internet, to the point it wasn't suffocating like today.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Call it what you want. I don't want a woman handed the White House by the system or a man. She is not elected by the people in a presidential race, and yes, people will note that in the public discourse. Therefore, it feels illegitimate to me. Obama won fairly. Why can't a woman? I WANT to live to see the day a woman storms the primaries, and wins the White House on her own, as much as the electorate and the system allows. Sadly, it looks as if we are not going to do that. I will NEVER see that in my lifetime. And since I'm 31 years old, that's really pathetic.

This is sheer purity politics in itself.

[Yukaphile]

How is it? A black man reaches the White House on his own. The first female President has it given to her. How is that NOT unfair past "sheer coincidence?" It's sadly telling to the state of our society, and could even be seen as anointing somebody the same way Clinton was accused, and she ran fairly, open primaries! LOL. So just imagine if Pelosi was handed the position? Or Biden died and his successor took over? It's bad for empowerment for women in any tangible way past the fleeting nature of politics at any given moment.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Also, enough with the goddamned virtue-signaling. This is something I really hate from the radical left. You think world is worse than it has ever been? Read about the 1940s, and how in many ways, we're still paying for the mistakes made in that era, and it'll really boil your blood. If we can't get justice for the people in that era, in terms of our perceptions and our morality and fighting the conventional wisdom, how do we expect to do so in the present?

Can you define 'virtue-signaling' for me? That's another one of those modern terms that can have a different meaning for each person.

virtue signaling is bolstering your own position to respectively make your opponent look inferior, particularly for an unsubstantial basis of consideration.

[Yukaphile]

Well, that's your opinion.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

How is it? A black man reaches the White House on his own. The first female President has it given to her. How is that NOT unfair past "sheer coincidence?" It's sadly telling to the state of our society, and could even be seen as anointing somebody the same way Clinton was accused, and she ran fairly, open primaries! LOL. So just imagine if Pelosi was handed the position? Or Biden died and his successor took over? It's bad for empowerment for women in any tangible way past the fleeting nature of politics at any given moment.

Because your social apathy towards broad based politics is motivated by a nebulous standard of yours. Mocking active progressives because the national aggregates didn't amount to your own standards for Feminism is perverted. To the point where you're using Obama's inauguration as an essentially indicative double standard for your own brand of progressivism, it comes off a bit like a petulant tantrum of a child jealous of another's toys.

It seems more like you're mitigating your own position as a fanboy in giving a middle finger to the left but actually virtue signaling your own position in support of Feminism and how the system has failed it and you.