Sea levels my rise by six feet in 2100

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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sun May 26, 2019 1:21 amYeah because cheaper gas and cheeseburgers is much more important than mass flooding making the earth barely inhabitable for human life in a matter of decades.
That is demonstrably false. The truth is bad enough without you creating an absurd hyperbole.
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sun May 26, 2019 1:53 amThey choose to make giant smoke-belching factories [...]
They do not do this to harm anyone, they do that to benefit, to earn money. We accept it, because we benefit from it as well, both by providing workplaces and goods. Those "smoke belching factories" are what allows you to have food on your table. Have you thought about that?
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Madner Kami wrote: Sun May 26, 2019 4:53 amActually, Hurricanes, floods, and wildfires are good, because capitalism. There is no other possible way we could put food on the table than by gradually raising the temperature of the entire planet.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sun May 26, 2019 5:33 amI have an opinion and I am the ultimate arbiter of what is right and wrong and I am the only one who knows why people do what they do and everyone who doesn't agree, is evil.
Your arrogant stupidity works both ways 🖕
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Dear me, I seem to have touched a nerve.

If you want me to expand a bit, they do harm, lots of harm. That they are ostensibly providing some kind of benefit does not change or negate the harm they do. They will do things that will kill thousands if it will increase their stock prices.

I live in Pennsylvania. In some towns, the tap water can catch fire, because of fracking, but you would defend such practices because ultimately, somewhere along the line, they provide some service to some people. You'd handwave all the alternatives that are crushed or suppressed by their lobbyist. You'd overlook how the existence of mega-corps where every company owns just about every other company makes concepts such as "consumer choice" laughable.

I am not being hyperbolic about "inhospitable to human life". The polar vortex turned normally cold regions of the midwest into temperatures were fifteen minutes of exposure in warm clothing meant death. Water levels are rising. Entire islands vanish. Storm of the century hurricanes happen multiple times a year.
Those all sound pretty hospitable to me, and they are getting worse at a pants-pissing rate.

Also, plutocrat CEOs don't need you to defend them. They have security guards and lobbyists for things like that. They'll be fine, I promise.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sun May 26, 2019 5:43 ambut you would defend such practices
And here is your primary problem in communication. I don't. I am pointing out why they do it and that your fundamental assertion, that they are just evil, is flawed and leads you nowhere. Thinking that everyone who does not lock his step with yours is a foe and treating them that way, doesn't help you, it harms you.

For example, do you really think that everyone involved in the Flint water-debacle wanted to or was fine with producing flamable tap-water? Really? I'd re-examine that line of thought, if I were you.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sun May 26, 2019 1:53 am They choose to make giant smoke-belching factories and to lobby things so that the fines for massive pollution are less than the amount saved by polluting. i can recycle and bicycle till the cows come home and it won't change that.
You can recycle until the cows come home but you're one person. Convince all the consumers to not buy from giant, smoke-belching factories and you don't get giant, smoke-belching factories any more.
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My assertion isn't that they are just evil, but that, regardless of the positive benefits, it's still pretty evil to do. Handsome is as handsome does, people with more power should theoretically have more responsibility, when they don't the planet catches on fucking fire.
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Darth Wedgius wrote: Sun May 26, 2019 6:03 am
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sun May 26, 2019 1:53 am They choose to make giant smoke-belching factories and to lobby things so that the fines for massive pollution are less than the amount saved by polluting. i can recycle and bicycle till the cows come home and it won't change that.
You can recycle until the cows come home but you're one person. Convince all the consumers to not buy from giant, smoke-belching factories and you don't get giant, smoke-belching factories any more.
Convince consumers not to buy from giant, smoke-belching factories and our glorious leader will give them a fat government contract because they whine that they are unfairly hurt by foreign competition.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sun May 26, 2019 6:06 am
Darth Wedgius wrote: Sun May 26, 2019 6:03 am
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sun May 26, 2019 1:53 am They choose to make giant smoke-belching factories and to lobby things so that the fines for massive pollution are less than the amount saved by polluting. i can recycle and bicycle till the cows come home and it won't change that.
You can recycle until the cows come home but you're one person. Convince all the consumers to not buy from giant, smoke-belching factories and you don't get giant, smoke-belching factories any more.
Convince consumers not to buy from giant, smoke-belching factories and our glorious leader will give them a fat government contract because they whine that they are unfairly hurt by foreign competition.
Your evidence that would happen?
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Consumer choice lead consumers to buy more efficient, Japanese cars.
Ford and other american auto magnates whined about "unfair competition" so the government propped up these failing dinosaurs.

Gasoline is a hugely expensive fuel for transport, but government subsidies keep the price artificially low so automobiles can keep out competing other means of transport.

Trolleys were a much better way to get around cities, but then the automobile and petrol industry decided to buy up most of America's trolley systems and trash them so they could be replaced with gas-guzzling cars and buses.

Your analysis of "consumer choice" utterly fails to take into account brute force and crony capitalism.
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