Body of man deported to Iraq, certain to die, returned

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It's an easy answer when to one more Trump = less government.

[Draco Dracul]

Examples like this are why I sneer at people who want more government, because more government is what is responsible for things like this.

Not really, because a bare minimum government would be capable of this or it would be easily over thrown. It's possible even a below bare minimum near anarchy would be capable of this as it doesn't even require monopoly of force to accomplish.

So the best way to breed empathy for our fellow man... is to focus on the self?

To never lose sight of the individual. To do so is to make considerations, which bureaucracy won't do. Bureaucracy is binary and doesn't care about circumstances or anything else about an individual. Collectivism is all about the group.

The funny thing is that the bureaucracy had no problem making an exception for Jimmy Aldaoud for nearly 40 years. It's only when an administration that ran on being anti-immigrant came to power (the first to do so in Mr Aldaoud's life time) that he was deported to his death. He's not a victim of and uncaring machine, he's the victim of hate.

[Darth Wedgius]

An ICE spokesperson in Detroit said that Aldaoud had “an extensive criminal history“ that involved at least 20 convictions from 1998 to 2017, and had twice been ordered removed from the U.S.

The convictions included assault with a dangerous weapon, domestic violence, theft of personal property, and breaking and entering, according to ICE. A POLITICO search of court records showed Aldaoud served 17 months for a home invasion in 2013.

You know, I'm not sure this man should have continued to be our problem.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by observing its prisoners. Dostoevsky said that, after doing a little time.

Aside from that, having been here since 1 year old doesn't give much ground in the "should not be our problem" category. They might as well say that about anybody that commits a garden variety of offenses, of whom which will not just be deported, not to mention chosen vaguely by your ethnicity.

[Admiral X]

Have what?

The federal government.

Limited.

[Admiral X]

Not really, because a bare minimum government would be capable of this or it would be easily over thrown. It's possible even a below bare minimum near anarchy would be capable of this as it doesn't even require monopoly of force to accomplish.

It's funny how many people seem to confuse limiting government means doing away with it entirely.

The funny thing is that the bureaucracy had no problem making an exception for Jimmy Aldaoud for nearly 40 years. It's only when an administration that ran on being anti-immigrant came to power (the first to do so in Mr Aldaoud's life time) that he was deported to his death. He's not a victim of and uncaring machine, he's the victim of hate.

If you believe that, then it still makes an excellent case for a more limited government.

[TGLS]

Have what?

The federal government.

Limited.

In which way? Specific departments you'd remove? No border enforcement? Cuts to military spending/national security? Against Federal Reserve? What about State governments?

[Draco Dracul]

Not really, because a bare minimum government would be capable of this or it would be easily over thrown. It's possible even a below bare minimum near anarchy would be capable of this as it doesn't even require monopoly of force to accomplish.

It's funny how many people seem to confuse limiting government means doing away with it entirely.

It's also irrelevant to my point as there can be no government too small to perform this kind of action as even many things too small and too limited to be considered a government could do this.

The funny thing is that the bureaucracy had no problem making an exception for Jimmy Aldaoud for nearly 40 years. It's only when an administration that ran on being anti-immigrant came to power (the first to do so in Mr Aldaoud's life time) that he was deported to his death. He's not a victim of and uncaring machine, he's the victim of hate.

If you believe that, then it still makes an excellent case for a more limited government.

How? Because a government that's three guys with a pipe could have done this just fine.

[Admiral X]

In which way? Specific departments you'd remove? No border enforcement? Cuts to military spending/national security? Against Federal Reserve? What about State governments?

I'd have to write a book to explain it all, and I'm not going to do that.

[Mecha82]

That's because you seem to live in some fantasy world were rules of real world don't apply. You and other radical right-wingers that think that it's possible to run country like USA with limited government and that rhetoric is joke.