Freedom Day

[ProfessorDetective]

UK here.

30,000 die from flu. Where's the lockdown for that? 24,000 die in road traffic accidents. Where's the curfew for cars? 160,000 die from heart attacks. Where is the ban on McDonalds? 166,000 cancer deaths. Where is the ban on smoking, fat, salt, sugar etc.

Covid is an absolute anomaly. We have taken steps to prevent it that we haven't for any other leading form of death. Meanwhile, thousands are dying because of missed cancer screenings. People are committing suicide due to loneliness. Millions of jobs lost. Whole industries will never be the same again. An estimated 1 billion face masks dumped, with an average degradation time of 450 years.

You know what I think? I think the lockdown advocates are the selfish ones at this point. This is a threat that needs to be lived with before the cure is more harmful than what we are fighting.

PS I'm still happy with my Brexit vote. Do you know who you should blame if you aren't? The 28% of people who didn't bother to vote. That would have been enough to overturn it. You don't like the course of your history but were too lazy to change it? Tough tits. You had your chance. Same as the 43% of Americans who couldn't be bothered to vote in 2016 and woke up to find Trump in the White House.

129,000 died in the UK from Covid versus the 30,000 from the flu. Gee what would be the difference?

Accidents happen. That is life. But the way you are acting is like, well they happen anyway might as well let anyone drive, lift the laws of the roads, and all markings.

Because that is what you are suggesting.

Cancer screenings can make mistakes or people don't get them done. Might as well not do them right?

Or all of the examples you have made, has precautions, rules, laws, vacinnes, or technology to improve it already in place and continue to improve them.

Either a perfect solution or no solution at all.

AKA: 'let's just cut the junk and go full anarchist', usually says the one with a doomsday bunker and armory.

[McAvoy]

Honestly Covid showed the world the scientific method happening in real time in front of the whole world. Something that usually happens behind the scenes. Something I feel people really fail at understanding how science really works.

Which is why I used to constantly argue with people who have no understanding of what scientific theory really is and mixes it up with the everyday theory.

So distrust science because they see how science was initially wrong, back pedaling, vague because they don't know yet, etc. So they were wrong the first or second time so automatically distrust anything past that.

[Yukaphile]

UK here.

30,000 die from flu. Where's the lockdown for that? 24,000 die in road traffic accidents. Where's the curfew for cars? 160,000 die from heart attacks. Where is the ban on McDonalds? 166,000 cancer deaths. Where is the ban on smoking, fat, salt, sugar etc.

Covid is an absolute anomaly. We have taken steps to prevent it that we haven't for any other leading form of death. Meanwhile, thousands are dying because of missed cancer screenings. People are committing suicide due to loneliness. Millions of jobs lost. Whole industries will never be the same again. An estimated 1 billion face masks dumped, with an average degradation time of 450 years.

You know what I think? I think the lockdown advocates are the selfish ones at this point. This is a threat that needs to be lived with before the cure is more harmful than what we are fighting.

PS I'm still happy with my Brexit vote. Do you know who you should blame if you aren't? The 28% of people who didn't bother to vote. That would have been enough to overturn it. You don't like the course of your history but were too lazy to change it? Tough tits. You had your chance. Same as the 43% of Americans who couldn't be bothered to vote in 2016 and woke up to find Trump in the White House.

While I can't speak to the politics of the UK, Boris Johnson and whatever, I feel ya on the lockdowns and mask mandate. Thankfully, here in Minnesota, we have none of those. Very few places make masks mandatory, except hospitals, which is understandable, I think, but still fucking unpleasant.

I think COVID is more so being pushed now as another means to seize greater control over us. Like Prohibition was a century ago. You're never going to be able to legislate morality or ethics, even basic human decency and fairness. If they couldn't do that in caveman days, we sure as shit can't do it now.

I don't wear my mask anymore, I don't care about this new hysteria with "DELTA VARIANT." All along, the scientists are being very clear, very tentative - let the data come in. But 99% survive without the mask, and 50% are asymptomatic. Politicians just want to use it to divide us. I got both my Pfizer shots, so did everyone in my family. If they want me to live in terror, they are going to have to do it themselves, I will NOT do it for them.

[McAvoy]

I really wish people stop using 99% when it comes to very large numbers.

For example, if 1 million were infected and 99% survive, you still have 10,000 dead.

Or if you want to look at it differently, there are 276 million cars in the US. If 99% of them will work perfectly fine, but 1% of them will blow up that is still 2.76 million cars.

[Yukaphile]

No, I get it. Out of seven billion, that's a substantial amount. But the debate has always been here about how far you go in the name of surrendering your liberties for security - and oftentimes, the illusion of security, at that. Look at all the problems we had after 9/11. You know that quote from Ed Teller?

"Total security has never been available to anyone. To expect it is unrealistic; to imagine that it can exist is to invite disaster. We must learn to live with contradictions, because they lead to deeper and more effective understanding."

And nature is not kind. The weak die, the strong survive. I know our moral compass is at odds to that, but we still haven't been able to completely detach ourselves from the jungle we crawled out of, as much as we may want to. Precautions should be taken, for sure. I think what it is now is overparanoia. We do live in a paranoid society . 99% is significant, but you can't enforce social responsibility. If you could do that, we'd have stamped out rape, murder, genocide, famine, all that nasty stuff six thousand years ago. The only time I wear the mask is in the hospital. Ofc, I rarely go out anyway, and I refuse to be shamed for my decision since I got my shots.

Look at that post clearspira made a few pages back. Where's the outrage for literally EVERY SINGLE OTHER FUCKIN' ISSUE that kills far more substantial numbers per year? There seems to be none. I'll stick by my statement. It feels more as if the scientists are, as I've said, just being very tentative, as they always are, let the data come in, but the politicians are seizing it and using it to push their own destructive, hateful agenda. To divide and conquer. Consume at all costs. It's probably where we get the authoritarian comparisons from left and right. EVERYONE can see it and feel it.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

No, I get it. Out of seven billion, that's a substantial amount. But the debate has always been here about how far you go in the name of surrendering your liberties for security - and oftentimes, the illusion of security, at that. Look at all the problems we had after 9/11. You know that quote from Ed Teller?

"Total security has never been available to anyone. To expect it is unrealistic; to imagine that it can exist is to invite disaster. We must learn to live with contradictions, because they lead to deeper and more effective understanding."

And nature is not kind. The weak die, the strong survive. I know our moral compass is at odds to that, but we still haven't been able to completely detach ourselves from the jungle we crawled out of, as much as we may want to. Precautions should be taken, for sure. I think what it is now is overparanoia. We do live in a paranoid society . 99% is significant, but you can't enforce social responsibility. If you could do that, we'd have stamped out rape, murder, genocide, famine, all that nasty stuff six thousand years ago. The only time I wear the mask is in the hospital. Ofc, I rarely go out anyway, and I refuse to be shamed for my decision since I got my shots.

what the fuck dude

[McAvoy]

No, I get it. Out of seven billion, that's a substantial amount. But the debate has always been here about how far you go in the name of surrendering your liberties for security - and oftentimes, the illusion of security, at that. Look at all the problems we had after 9/11. You know that quote from Ed Teller?

"Total security has never been available to anyone. To expect it is unrealistic; to imagine that it can exist is to invite disaster. We must learn to live with contradictions, because they lead to deeper and more effective understanding."

And nature is not kind. The weak die, the strong survive. I know our moral compass is at odds to that, but we still haven't been able to completely detach ourselves from the jungle we crawled out of, as much as we may want to. Precautions should be taken, for sure. I think what it is now is overparanoia. We do live in a paranoid society . 99% is significant, but you can't enforce social responsibility. If you could do that, we'd have stamped out rape, murder, genocide, famine, all that nasty stuff six thousand years ago. The only time I wear the mask is in the hospital. Ofc, I rarely go out anyway, and I refuse to be shamed for my decision since I got my shots.

Look at that post clearspira made a few pages back. Where's the outrage for literally EVERY SINGLE OTHER FUCKIN' ISSUE that kills far more substantial numbers per year? There seems to be none. I'll stick by my statement. It feels more as if the scientists are, as I've said, just being very tentative, as they always are, let the data come in, but the politicians are seizing it and using it to push their own destructive, hateful agenda. To divide and conquer. Consume at all costs. It's probably where we get the authoritarian comparisons from left and right. EVERYONE can see it and feel it.

I replied about this already. In his examples there were safety precautions, laws, rules, training to reduce those numbers down as much as possible.

If you were to say well the precautions for Covid isn't working might as well give up on them. Is the same as saying as giving up on drunk driver laws, driving laws in general, training for doctors, education and training for engineers. And so forth.

Nothing is 100% fool proof. Except death.

[sayla0079]

Not sure if this is the right place for this but someone I follow on youtube did their opinion piece on the anti-mask/vaxxers and made some good points Note there is ALOT of cursing in it.


youtu.be/zFkLT5UG7bk

[clearspira]

UK here.

30,000 die from flu. Where's the lockdown for that? 24,000 die in road traffic accidents. Where's the curfew for cars? 160,000 die from heart attacks. Where is the ban on McDonalds? 166,000 cancer deaths. Where is the ban on smoking, fat, salt, sugar etc.

Covid is an absolute anomaly. We have taken steps to prevent it that we haven't for any other leading form of death. Meanwhile, thousands are dying because of missed cancer screenings. People are committing suicide due to loneliness. Millions of jobs lost. Whole industries will never be the same again. An estimated 1 billion face masks dumped, with an average degradation time of 450 years.

You know what I think? I think the lockdown advocates are the selfish ones at this point. This is a threat that needs to be lived with before the cure is more harmful than what we are fighting.

PS I'm still happy with my Brexit vote. Do you know who you should blame if you aren't? The 28% of people who didn't bother to vote. That would have been enough to overturn it. You don't like the course of your history but were too lazy to change it? Tough tits. You had your chance. Same as the 43% of Americans who couldn't be bothered to vote in 2016 and woke up to find Trump in the White House.

While I can't speak to the politics of the UK, Boris Johnson and whatever, I feel ya on the lockdowns and mask mandate. Thankfully, here in Minnesota, we have none of those. Very few places make masks mandatory, except hospitals, which is understandable, I think, but still fucking unpleasant.

I think COVID is more so being pushed now as another means to seize greater control over us. Like Prohibition was a century ago. You're never going to be able to legislate morality or ethics, even basic human decency and fairness. If they couldn't do that in caveman days, we sure as shit can't do it now.

I don't wear my mask anymore, I don't care about this new hysteria with "DELTA VARIANT." All along, the scientists are being very clear, very tentative - let the data come in. But 99% survive without the mask, and 50% are asymptomatic. Politicians just want to use it to divide us. I got both my Pfizer shots, so did everyone in my family. If they want me to live in terror, they are going to have to do it themselves, I will NOT do it for them.

Yep, I too have had both my shots and have dropped my mask. And I have no intention of ever putting it back on again. I'm of the opinion that the fear of Covid-19 never lived up to the reality.

Incidentally, I have a big problem with using the term ''Delta variant'' as it is just another example of how hypocritical political correctness is. We weren't allowed to call the original variant ''the Chinese variant'' because that was racist. Then it was perfectly fine to call the Kent variant ''the Kent variant'' because as we all know, you cannot be racist towards the British. Then once we started to call the Indian variant ''the Indian variant'' that was racist again and the WHO went on to rename everything.

[Yukaphile]

I misspoke and I want to correct that. Obviously I'm NOT condoning people dying, but that's the thing. You're never going to have a completely risk-free life. No matter how good our medicines and our tools get, it's just not going to happen. And no matter how we feel, it is true. Nature is a harsh bitch who does not care about us and whether we live or die. That's the intent I was trying to give. That's all. But that in the grand scheme of things, there are far more to get scared about than the COVID reaction. Which clearspira had listed. For me, something like climate change. Long-term, that could do far more damage. At least we're trying to get on the ball. We'll see if we can do it in time. In no way is a human death acceptable. Well, except maybe some psychotic criminal who evaded justice. Because they are almost certainly going to keep on doing it. But that'd be about it, imo.

You know who DOES want us so afraid of COVID? The global authoritarians. I mean, they're just using it to crack down on our freedoms. Just like after 9/11, and it's just getting worse and worse and worse. I think at this point, being afraid serves them more than us. There are exceptions for where I wear the mask, of course. Like the hospital, as I said. That I do understand. But that's really it. Not all people who drop the masks now are anti-vaxxers, yet a lot of the mainstream narrative is that they are. Again, it's a good tool of division, in how the ruling class can single out those who have dropped the masks as being dangerous monsters putting other people at risk, and so the outrage is turned back onto them instead of where it belongs, with our political heads. I mean, surely, Fuzzy, you better than anyone would agree it's how they divide us so well to keep us put down as class peons? Because then there's more chance for them to keep carving up this country and all its resources finer among themselves.