Disney stops funding Don't Say Gay Bill

[Frustration]

The first lie of American politics is that there are two sides. The second lie is that the side you believe yourself to be on is decent, righteous, and completely unlike the other side.

[TGLS]

I am reminded of all the anti-war rhetoric in the Vietnam era... which disappeared once people stopped being drafted into the military.

Well, you might be neglecting to mention the fact that the United States signed a peace and exited the war the same day the draft ended. https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=_ ... %2C1959488

[hammerofglass]

The first lie of American politics is that there are two sides. The second lie is that the side you believe yourself to be on is decent, righteous, and completely unlike the other side.

One party attempted to overturn an election and install a dictator in a coup barely a year ago, kept the guy who did it as head of the party, sabotaged Covid responses and deliberately spread lies causing hundreds of thousands of avoidable deaths, is brazenly attacking the rights of women and LGBTQ folks out of pure love of cruelty, and is openly disenfranchising minority voters in the states they control in an attempt to fix future elections. The other party is not.

[Frustration]

Well, you might be neglecting to mention the fact that the United States signed a peace and exited the war the same day the draft ended.

The Paris Peace Accords makring the end of the US' involvement: Jan. 27, 1973.
Last draft call: Dec. 7, 1972
Authority to draft expired: June 30, 1973

[TGLS]

The Paris Peace Accords makring the end of the US' involvement: Jan. 27, 1973.
Last draft call: Dec. 7, 1972
Authority to draft expired: June 30, 1973

OK, let's add more dates:
Kissinger Declares Peace is at Hand: Oct. 27 1972
300 avoid draft due to national day of mourning for Truman: Dec 28, 1972
Case-Church Amendment becomes law, disallowing further military activity in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia without congressional approval: Jul. 1 1973

So it seems even stronger, not only did the anti-war movement outlast the end of the draft, it outlasted the war itself.

[Draco Dracul]

I am reminded of all the anti-war rhetoric in the Vietnam era... which disappeared once people stopped being drafted into the military.

I mean that's true, the reason the draft has never been reinstated is that it weakens anti-war movements by making it much more easily out of sight and out of mind as the specter of being randomly sent to war doesn't hang over people's heads. And since the point of modern war is to grift money from the public into arms companies the fact that there aren't as many soldiers doesn't really matter.

The first lie of American politics is that there are two sides. The second lie is that the side you believe yourself to be on is decent, righteous, and completely unlike the other side.

There are two sides, the rich and the rest of us and politicians are almost universally on the side of the rich. More importantly the systems of the government are built to marginalize the public, empower people rich enough to buy access, and make changing the status quo incredibly hard to the point that you can have policies supported by 2/3rds of the population but will never be passed by congress.

[McAvoy]

There is something to be said about how anti-veteran the population was during and after the end of the Vietnam War versus how the population was during after the first Gulf War.

"I support the Troops" How? Just by making a statement? Talking on behalf of the active duty and veterans and the deceased on stuff you don't know about? All because your cousin's wife's brother was a veteran?

Versus how the Vietnam veterans were treated in the 70's.

I suppose you could make a comparison to that somehow.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

The attempts to secure "gay rights" have also dramatically decreased. There used to be people who insisted that state-approved same-sex marriages weren't enough, federal recognition of state-accepted marriages wasn't enough, we needed federal mandates and constitutional amendments.

And we still do, but that doesn't erase all the progress we've made. Who pissed in your coffee?

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

The first lie of American politics is that there are two sides. The second lie is that the side you believe yourself to be on is decent, righteous, and completely unlike the other side.

There's one party with Nazis, and one that doesn't have them. That's enough to prove there's two sides. One side is a milksop coalition of everyone who's not a neo-fascist, and that includes some people who just want a more polite kind of fascism. Democrats don't need to be as pure as the driven snow to be a better choice than republicans.

On a more personal level, the Democrats might have been homophobic a lot, but ultimately the vast majority piled in behind same-sex marriage while Republicans fought it until the bitter end, whereupon they decided to act like it was never a big deal.