Florida governor refuses to recognise transgender swimmer

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Do you have any research to back up the idea

Since I did not make any assertion regarding that, I have no need to "back up" the idea. I asked a question.

I note that eunuchs in the ancient world, despite a massive reduction in male hormones, were renowned for their strength - when they underwent regular physical training, of course. It is not at all obvious that a male body with hormone reduction and supplementation becomes statistically equivalent to a female body - and when hearing about mtf athletes who do remarkably well in the female field, people are going to go with their intuition and suspect the obvious.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Grip strength takes a lot of localized muscle development at the forearm while also critically measuring overall strength inclusive of posterior coordination.

The overall strength is something that women can develop conventionally, it's the basis for crossfit.

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Here is one example, convenient for summarizing, of the large body of research on the subject.

Now: what evidence exists, regarding mtf transsexuals and grip strength?

[hammerofglass]

I kind of always wonder if this is what people think is happening in these situations. https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/guy ... rls-sports

It's also the best "still cis though" joke I've seen.

[TGLS]

Whenever I see this topic title I first read it as "transgender swimwear".

[McAvoy]

Whenever I see this topic title I first read it as "transgender swimwear".

There might be for those who haven't gotten bottom surgery for the M2F transgender. The crotch requires more of a pocket than normal.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Because women started to compete evenly (or beat) men in some sports and got their feelings hurt, so they banned women, realized it was a bad look, and created women’s divisions a few years later

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madge_Syers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Shan

And of course numerous women’s sports leagues created during world wars then fully shut down to clear way for the returning men.

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Taken a step further, there is no single standard of biologically female that encompasses all women. If we're going to say testosterone levels are the issue, then everyone should get blood tests to see how high their testosterone is. If we're going to say it's height, then sort the leagues by how tall you are. If it's muscle mass, do a heavy weight, middle weight, and lightweight level.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Do you have any research to back up the idea

Since I did not make any assertion regarding that, I have no need to "back up" the idea. I asked a question.

I note that eunuchs in the ancient world, despite a massive reduction in male hormones, were renowned for their strength - when they underwent regular physical training, of course. It is not at all obvious that a male body with hormone reduction and supplementation becomes statistically equivalent to a female body - and when hearing about mtf athletes who do remarkably well in the female field, people are going to go with their intuition and suspect the obvious.

You can assert things by asking questions. A lot of questions make assertions by framing what is up for debate versus what is taken for granted.

[hammerofglass]

Do you have any research to back up the idea

Since I did not make any assertion regarding that, I have no need to "back up" the idea. I asked a question.

I note that eunuchs in the ancient world, despite a massive reduction in male hormones, were renowned for their strength - when they underwent regular physical training, of course. It is not at all obvious that a male body with hormone reduction and supplementation becomes statistically equivalent to a female body - and when hearing about mtf athletes who do remarkably well in the female field, people are going to go with their intuition and suspect the obvious.

You can assert things by asking questions. A lot of questions make assertions by framing what is up for debate versus what is taken for granted.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-a ... t-trolling

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Here is one example, convenient for summarizing, of the large body of research on the subject.

Now: what evidence exists, regarding mtf transsexuals and grip strength?

Your next step is to assert how that is pertinent in spite of the mitigated hormonal levels.