Former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe shot dead

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Communism simply isn't compatible with human nature. It could be made to work, if society were composed entirely of genius saints.

But any system could be made to work under those conditions.
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Opting for communism kind of begs the question. A big interference to the directive is basic tenants of democracy. It's very unlikely democracy will lead to a foundational reform for socialisitic ends. You basically need regulation to enact progressive measures, and that comes along much more with properly endowed communities. Otherwise the best you can do on a federal level is target either recognizably disparate demographic aggregates or enhance up to several industries.
..What mirror universe?
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Being a war crimes apologist is still pretty bad. But then I don't know that much about his policies beyond his rather cringeworthy attempt to promote reproduction in the populace.
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clearspira wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:46 pm
Draco Dracul wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:59 pm
clearspira wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:35 pm
Draco Dracul wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:56 am Can't say I'm sad to see the end of the war crime apologist.
Nelson Mandela did more than perhaps any other man to help end Apartheid. He was also the head of the South African Communist party who were guilty of at least a hundred acts of terrorism, often against innocent civilians.
This one is really not like the others because A) communism is a good thing, and B) you are describing the methods used to end apartheid.
Communism has failed everywhere it has been tried and has brought nothing but suffering and misery. Including courtesy of Nelson Mendela. Terrorist with good publicity.
Communism wasn't even tried in South Africa as privatization is required to secure the IMF loans needed to rebuild the country. This both prevented land reforms and left huge amounts of South Africa's national recourses in the hands of foreign power. Blaming communism for the problems of Africa is quite frankly insane as the almost universally come from colonialism, which basically never ended, just changed from foreign states to foreign companies.
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:34 am Being a war crimes apologist is still pretty bad. But then I don't know that much about his policies beyond his rather cringeworthy attempt to promote reproduction in the populace.
He also wanted to remilitarize Japan. Which given his apologia for Imperial Japan probably means he wanted to do some foreign adventurism, but I cannot confirm that.
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South Africa's problems are home-grown. Incompetence, corruption, nepotism and constant party-infighting lead to a bloated budget that has nothing to show for it. South Africa spends about 20% of it's budget on education, yet somehow South-Africa is the second worst in the OECD-ratings when it comes to showing results from that, with a constant lack of skilled and flexible labour while somehow having a 30% unemployment rate. The state-owned electricity-company is incapable of electrifying the country with any sort of reliability since decades now. The government runs on an alarmingly high and constant deficit since the early 2000s. The economic mismanagement is probably best shown by looking at the gold-exports of South Africa, which produced 300 tons per year in the 90s, but somehow managed to drop down to just under 100t a year in the 2020s, despite years of gold being in high demand. South Africa sits on around 80% of the world-wide available Platinum, Manganese und Chromite-reserves and they're doing nothing with it. The country's a shit-show because they can't keep crime, corruption and incompetence in check, not because of foreign companies.

As for your comment in regards to Abe, well, you're probably a lizard-person from Agartha, but I can't confirm that.
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Draco Dracul wrote: Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:25 am
clearspira wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:46 pm
Draco Dracul wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:59 pm
clearspira wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:35 pm
Draco Dracul wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:56 am Can't say I'm sad to see the end of the war crime apologist.
Nelson Mandela did more than perhaps any other man to help end Apartheid. He was also the head of the South African Communist party who were guilty of at least a hundred acts of terrorism, often against innocent civilians.
This one is really not like the others because A) communism is a good thing, and B) you are describing the methods used to end apartheid.
Communism has failed everywhere it has been tried and has brought nothing but suffering and misery. Including courtesy of Nelson Mendela. Terrorist with good publicity.
Communism wasn't even tried in South Africa as privatization is required to secure the IMF loans needed to rebuild the country. This both prevented land reforms and left huge amounts of South Africa's national recourses in the hands of foreign power. Blaming communism for the problems of Africa is quite frankly insane as the almost universally come from colonialism, which basically never ended, just changed from foreign states to foreign companies.
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:34 am Being a war crimes apologist is still pretty bad. But then I don't know that much about his policies beyond his rather cringeworthy attempt to promote reproduction in the populace.
He also wanted to remilitarize Japan. Which given his apologia for Imperial Japan probably means he wanted to do some foreign adventurism, but I cannot confirm that.
Maybe he wanted to remilitarize Japan because maybe having an expansionist and highly militarised China on their border with clear ambitions towards their territorial waters has made Japan a little edgy? Besides, how long are they meant to suffer for WW2 anyway? Germany is under no restrictions at all. Italy is under no restrictions at all. So why should they be?
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clearspira wrote: Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:59 am
Draco Dracul wrote: Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:25 am
clearspira wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:46 pm
Draco Dracul wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:59 pm
clearspira wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:35 pm
Draco Dracul wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:56 am Can't say I'm sad to see the end of the war crime apologist.
Nelson Mandela did more than perhaps any other man to help end Apartheid. He was also the head of the South African Communist party who were guilty of at least a hundred acts of terrorism, often against innocent civilians.
This one is really not like the others because A) communism is a good thing, and B) you are describing the methods used to end apartheid.
Communism has failed everywhere it has been tried and has brought nothing but suffering and misery. Including courtesy of Nelson Mendela. Terrorist with good publicity.
Communism wasn't even tried in South Africa as privatization is required to secure the IMF loans needed to rebuild the country. This both prevented land reforms and left huge amounts of South Africa's national recourses in the hands of foreign power. Blaming communism for the problems of Africa is quite frankly insane as the almost universally come from colonialism, which basically never ended, just changed from foreign states to foreign companies.
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:34 am Being a war crimes apologist is still pretty bad. But then I don't know that much about his policies beyond his rather cringeworthy attempt to promote reproduction in the populace.
He also wanted to remilitarize Japan. Which given his apologia for Imperial Japan probably means he wanted to do some foreign adventurism, but I cannot confirm that.
Maybe he wanted to remilitarize Japan because maybe having an expansionist and highly militarised China on their border with clear ambitions towards their territorial waters has made Japan a little edgy? Besides, how long are they meant to suffer for WW2 anyway? Germany is under no restrictions at all. Italy is under no restrictions at all. So why should they be?
Japan already has the sixth largest military in the world. Article 9 only prevents declaring war and having force projection.
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Put another way, at best Abe was appeasing elements of his party who consider being forbidden to declare war an insult to national honor (a mindset that inevitably would lead to doing so), and at worst actively shared these beliefs and wished to pursue them. There’s not an innocent version of his actions in that regard.
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The motive of Tetsuya Yamagami, the killer of Shinzo Abe, may have been revealed. Apparently his mother drove his family into bankruptcy via donations to the Moon-sect and Yamagami convinced himself of Abe being tied to that scammer-cult, trying to send a message.

The Wall Street Journal: Probe Into Shinzo Abe Killing Suspect Looks at His Mother’s Church
TOKYO—The man suspected of killing Shinzo Abe may have targeted the former Japanese leader because he perceived a link between Mr. Abe and a church that received money from the suspect’s mother before she went bankrupt, a church leader said.

At a news conference, the head of the Family Federation for World Peace and Unification, an offshoot of a church founded in South Korea by the Rev. Moon Sun-myung, gave the first detailed account of the background of Tetsuya Yamagami, the man arrested in the killing on Friday of Japan’s longest-serving prime minister.

Tomihiro Tanaka, the Japan church’s chairman, said that Mr. Yamagami’s mother joined the church in the late 1990s, made donations and regularly attended events but went bankrupt in 2002.

The church leader also said that Mr. Abe had spoken at events organized by a group that was set up by Mr. Moon to promote peace. Mr. Tanaka said the former prime minister was neither a member of nor an adviser to the Family Federation itself. The church and the other group have friendly ties but are separate bodies, he said.

“I’m speculating, but maybe he [Mr. Yamagami] failed to distinguish between us and our sister group. He saw these all as the same because their founder is the same,” Mr. Tanaka said.

Police say Mr. Yamagami has told them he wanted to kill Mr. Abe because he believed the former prime minister had connections to a group that he wanted to target. The police haven’t identified the group.

On Monday, police said they had found marks similar to bullet holes in a building on the grounds of the group. Mr. Yamagami told police he fired shots at the building in the early morning of July 7. Police also say they have found wooden boards at which Mr. Yamagami says he fired to test weapons, and a tray used to dry gunpowder.

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Madner Kami wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:23 pm The motive of Tetsuya Yamagami, the killer of Shinzo Abe, may have been revealed. Apparently his mother drove his family into bankruptcy via donations to the Moon-sect and Yamagami convinced himself of Abe being tied to that scammer-cult, trying to send a message.

The Wall Street Journal: Probe Into Shinzo Abe Killing Suspect Looks at His Mother’s Church
TOKYO—The man suspected of killing Shinzo Abe may have targeted the former Japanese leader because he perceived a link between Mr. Abe and a church that received money from the suspect’s mother before she went bankrupt, a church leader said.

At a news conference, the head of the Family Federation for World Peace and Unification, an offshoot of a church founded in South Korea by the Rev. Moon Sun-myung, gave the first detailed account of the background of Tetsuya Yamagami, the man arrested in the killing on Friday of Japan’s longest-serving prime minister.

Tomihiro Tanaka, the Japan church’s chairman, said that Mr. Yamagami’s mother joined the church in the late 1990s, made donations and regularly attended events but went bankrupt in 2002.

The church leader also said that Mr. Abe had spoken at events organized by a group that was set up by Mr. Moon to promote peace. Mr. Tanaka said the former prime minister was neither a member of nor an adviser to the Family Federation itself. The church and the other group have friendly ties but are separate bodies, he said.

“I’m speculating, but maybe he [Mr. Yamagami] failed to distinguish between us and our sister group. He saw these all as the same because their founder is the same,” Mr. Tanaka said.

Police say Mr. Yamagami has told them he wanted to kill Mr. Abe because he believed the former prime minister had connections to a group that he wanted to target. The police haven’t identified the group.

On Monday, police said they had found marks similar to bullet holes in a building on the grounds of the group. Mr. Yamagami told police he fired shots at the building in the early morning of July 7. Police also say they have found wooden boards at which Mr. Yamagami says he fired to test weapons, and a tray used to dry gunpowder.

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He didn't "convince himself"- Abe really did have connections to the Moonies, and so his family, and he'd made speeches for them in the past. The article (and some others like it) might seem to imply that this was just speculation on the part of the killer but that might be because they either weren't able to verify it or they are worried that acknowledging these ties will generate sympathy for the killer given the rather dubious reputation of the Unification Church already.
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