Shooting at Apalachee High School

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Yes, I am agreeing with... Fuzzy on this one. Participating in politics is simply what describes political action.

I personally think Harris as a Generation Jones democrat is modernized enough to not administer librarian-caliber control measures on things like gun regulation. I don't think that'd be enough to sway libertarians and more so conservatives to my line of thought on who to vote for if you care about gun legislation.

[McAvoy]

Shit like this is why I hate people who say they "don't care about politics". If you don't care about politics, you don't care about school shootings.

That text message from the sixteen year old girl broke something in me.

Whenever you have two comprehensive sides on an issue you are going to inevitably have an indifferent third party... Or as I call them, the system anomaly.

Are they comprehensive though? Or just opposing?
Fuzzy is wrong. I don't care about politics. You do not vote for someone based on weighing the pros and cons of the candidates. You pick the lesser evil. Trump got the nomination, I am voting anti-Trump. Biden had my vote. He stepped down, it goes to Harris. I do not know her stance or any hollow promises she has, she isn't him.
School shootings piss me off. Dead children do not please me. The left will toss out some blanket bill with no actual aim to curb these events, but to push an agenda. The right not wanting the left to have any sympathy will simply deny horrific events. Color me not surprised.

The shooter is in custody and will be tried. I want to hear that something that will actually improve safety is going to implemented. No locking the doors is not good enough. We already have a hero of a child in another school that blocked a door with his own body. Taking bullets through his torso to save fellow students.
How did the school fail to see this person bring in a full sized rifle?

Oh and what got my attention, was a news piece just a few days before this happened. A school spent a small fortune on little bags to make the students lock those damn cellphones up during school hours. They need the magnets on the way out to open the pouches. Rather glad this school did not have those.

As far as I can tell Harris is doing the same policies as Biden. At least for the moment. Steve Shives did a video on her policies from her campaign and its still wasn't updated from having Biden's name in it.

Here is the thing, the left wants to curb school shootings by bringing in more gun control. Some want a complete ban on guns but that is completely unrealistic. But if you vote Democrat, you do in fact vote for more gun control. You vote Republican, you vote for less gun control.

That's it. More Democrats in the government means more Democrat control and the ability to pass bills. Which would include gun control laws.

There is a reason why the school shooter's father is also being tried.

[Nealithi]

Shit like this is why I hate people who say they "don't care about politics". If you don't care about politics, you don't care about school shootings.

That text message from the sixteen year old girl broke something in me.

Whenever you have two comprehensive sides on an issue you are going to inevitably have an indifferent third party... Or as I call them, the system anomaly.

Are they comprehensive though? Or just opposing?
Fuzzy is wrong. I don't care about politics. You do not vote for someone based on weighing the pros and cons of the candidates. You pick the lesser evil. Trump got the nomination, I am voting anti-Trump. Biden had my vote. He stepped down, it goes to Harris. I do not know her stance or any hollow promises she has, she isn't him.
School shootings piss me off. Dead children do not please me. The left will toss out some blanket bill with no actual aim to curb these events, but to push an agenda. The right not wanting the left to have any sympathy will simply deny horrific events. Color me not surprised.

The shooter is in custody and will be tried. I want to hear that something that will actually improve safety is going to implemented. No locking the doors is not good enough. We already have a hero of a child in another school that blocked a door with his own body. Taking bullets through his torso to save fellow students.
How did the school fail to see this person bring in a full sized rifle?

Oh and what got my attention, was a news piece just a few days before this happened. A school spent a small fortune on little bags to make the students lock those damn cellphones up during school hours. They need the magnets on the way out to open the pouches. Rather glad this school did not have those.

As far as I can tell Harris is doing the same policies as Biden. At least for the moment. Steve Shives did a video on her policies from her campaign and its still wasn't updated from having Biden's name in it.

Here is the thing, the left wants to curb school shootings by bringing in more gun control. Some want a complete ban on guns but that is completely unrealistic. But if you vote Democrat, you do in fact vote for more gun control. You vote Republican, you vote for less gun control.

That's it. More Democrats in the government means more Democrat control and the ability to pass bills. Which would include gun control laws.

There is a reason why the school shooter's father is also being tried.

I no longer watch Steve Shives as he muted me for being tired of political umbrage of the week.
What you are recommending by making this solely about gun control is be more apathetic and vote for neither.
I feel there is more wrong with the Trump campaign and Republicans as a whole than a single issue.

Guns: You cannot have a good across the US 'control' or ban. First off one counter on these laws is true. You are not stopping criminals, you punish law abiding citizens. While at the same time saying the police are not obligated to protect you. A ban also cannot be even in this country because all living conditions are not even.
I live in a postage stamp town of 3000ish, surrounded by slightly larger towns. Borders can go through someone's house the towns are so close. Call 911 and police arrival time is 3 to 5 minutes. Our household does not need a gun for home defense.
A person in rural Virginia, Tennessee etc the 'fast' response time is 15 minute to over an hour in some cases. These people will need home defense.

And all the issues get buried under opposing idiots with an agenda. On the left you have 'reporters' that beef up semi-automatic. (I have had to explain the semi part to people) Fully semi-automatic Just to muddy the amount of rounds fired. To one reporter classing a pistol as a 'machinegun'. Then saying that current laws to keep guns out of wrong hands does not work. Goes to a gun shop, and promptly fails the background check due to domestic violence charges. So the reporter claims it is purely against the news and no one else actually gets background checks.
On the right you get gun makers advertising guns as though they are toys. Action figures for adults. And the ever popular you need more caliber to be 'effective'. Memes about guns so powerful you can hit the burglar hiding behind the fridge, at your neighbor's house.

From both sides there is a lack of honesty and responsibility.

I dismissed the initial report that the kid here was checked on a year ago and nothing was done. From what was reported, there was no proof. Just some kids accusing him of something. You do not lock someone up because of just an accusation.
Flipside, we did not have school shootings or 'domestic terrorism' when I was in school. No guards, no metal detectors, drills etc. I could not have gotten a rifle into the school. So how the hell did this kid?

Will they actually investigate this and close whatever hole in their security allowed this? Or will they say girls need clear purses and we will be safe for all time afterward?

[Riedquat]

Guns: You cannot have a good across the US 'control' or ban. First off one counter on these laws is true. You are not stopping criminals, you punish law abiding citizens.

Living as someone in a country with much stricter gun control that does not appear to be the case at all. Criminals here are far less likely to have guns. Far, far fewer people get shot in the UK than the USA (and that includes scaling for population size); the general opinion in the UK is that the USA's gun laws are insane.

[hammerofglass]

Shooter: "I am going to shoot up a school because I hate trans people and am angry they are being accepted".

Right wing media: "The shooter was trans and mad about the lack of trans acceptance".

Fucking ghouls.

https://www.mediamatters.org/diversity- ... people-are

[McAvoy]

Shit like this is why I hate people who say they "don't care about politics". If you don't care about politics, you don't care about school shootings.

That text message from the sixteen year old girl broke something in me.

Whenever you have two comprehensive sides on an issue you are going to inevitably have an indifferent third party... Or as I call them, the system anomaly.

Are they comprehensive though? Or just opposing?
Fuzzy is wrong. I don't care about politics. You do not vote for someone based on weighing the pros and cons of the candidates. You pick the lesser evil. Trump got the nomination, I am voting anti-Trump. Biden had my vote. He stepped down, it goes to Harris. I do not know her stance or any hollow promises she has, she isn't him.
School shootings piss me off. Dead children do not please me. The left will toss out some blanket bill with no actual aim to curb these events, but to push an agenda. The right not wanting the left to have any sympathy will simply deny horrific events. Color me not surprised.

The shooter is in custody and will be tried. I want to hear that something that will actually improve safety is going to implemented. No locking the doors is not good enough. We already have a hero of a child in another school that blocked a door with his own body. Taking bullets through his torso to save fellow students.
How did the school fail to see this person bring in a full sized rifle?

Oh and what got my attention, was a news piece just a few days before this happened. A school spent a small fortune on little bags to make the students lock those damn cellphones up during school hours. They need the magnets on the way out to open the pouches. Rather glad this school did not have those.

As far as I can tell Harris is doing the same policies as Biden. At least for the moment. Steve Shives did a video on her policies from her campaign and its still wasn't updated from having Biden's name in it.

Here is the thing, the left wants to curb school shootings by bringing in more gun control. Some want a complete ban on guns but that is completely unrealistic. But if you vote Democrat, you do in fact vote for more gun control. You vote Republican, you vote for less gun control.

That's it. More Democrats in the government means more Democrat control and the ability to pass bills. Which would include gun control laws.

There is a reason why the school shooter's father is also being tried.

I no longer watch Steve Shives as he muted me for being tired of political umbrage of the week.

I have made some remarks in his comment sections over the years on his videos. But it's always been on something his remarks about fans that actually take lore and lore building seriously. His political videos I leave alone because it's well understood with him that he is a hard liberal.

What you are recommending by making this solely about gun control is be more apathetic and vote for neither.

No I used this school shooting as an example for a reason to vote for one party or another. You can name other examples like illegal immigration/border policies, or taxes for the rich, or reduced taxes for the rich based on the trickle down theory or the fear that the rich will just increase the cost of their product. Climate change and green policies. Or the lack of the them with reductions in EPA authority. And so on it goes.

Guns: You cannot have a good across the US 'control' or ban. First off one counter on these laws is true. You are not stopping criminals, you punish law abiding citizens.

First of all a complete gun ban is impossible for the US. Never will happen. Second stricter gun control measures does not mean they will take guns away from you if you are a law abiding citizen. Which means you obey the laws including the laws put in place for guns themselves. You decide to open carry or hide your gun on your person when one or both is against the law? Not law abiding. You have your gun in the open while loaded and not locked up when your state states it has to be? Not law abiding.

Criminals will get guns and guess what? Gun control measures would make it harder for them to get one. How many criminals do you think have guns anyway?

While at the same time saying the police are not obligated to protect you. A ban also cannot be even in this country because all living conditions are not even.
I live in a postage stamp town of 3000ish, surrounded by slightly larger towns. Borders can go through someone's house the towns are so close. Call 911 and police arrival time is 3 to 5 minutes. Our household does not need a gun for home defense.
A person in rural Virginia, Tennessee etc the 'fast' response time is 15 minute to over an hour in some cases. These people will need home defense.

None of this means anything. I have always loved in a densely populated area and grew up within spitting distance of Trenton NJ. Go ahead and look at crime rate in that city. Go ahead look up crime rates in Newport News, Chesapeake, Virginia Beach and Norfolk, Virginia as well. I lived in Virginia for ten years.

How likely is it going for someone living in a densely populated area or one far less populated where home defense with a gun is going to be needed? Again I am not saying guns should be banned. Far from it.

Remember these school shooting, the shooters were able to get their guns from a family member. They didn't acquire it off of the street.

And all the issues get buried under opposing idiots with an agenda. On the left you have 'reporters' that beef up semi-automatic. (I have had to explain the semi part to people) Fully semi-automatic Just to muddy the amount of rounds fired. To one reporter classing a pistol as a 'machinegun'.

I am not going to get into why gun control policies won't work because some uninformed reporter or a reporter with a Ln agenda can't recognize gun types and correct use of terminology. These same reporters probably call destroyers, battleships.

Then saying that current laws to keep guns out of wrong hands does not work. Goes to a gun shop, and promptly fails the background check due to domestic violence charges. So the reporter claims it is purely against the news and no one else actually gets background checks.

Again, since this is about school shooting then you have to do something about it. Investigate why it happens and why is does it keep on happening. How can we prevent it in the future?

Bullet proof doors? Backpacks that double as bullet proof vests? A armored safe space in the back of the classroom? A metal detection system at all doors? Police officers or dedicated security officers to patrol the school yards? Required gun training and guns within the classroom for all teachers?

All so we don't inconvenience someone at a gun store from buying a gun?

I dismissed the initial report that the kid here was checked on a year ago and nothing was done. From what was reported, there was no proof. Just some kids accusing him of something. You do not lock someone up because of just an accusation.

I have to pay attention to this story, TBH. They did arrest the shooter's Dad.

Flipside, we did not have school shootings or 'domestic terrorism' when I was in school. No guards, no metal detectors, drills etc. I could not have gotten a rifle into the school. So how the hell did this kid?

Neither did I. Even had the Columbine shooting happen when I was in high school and for a time my own school took certain things seriously. But never metal detectors.

Think about the number of schools in the country and how many school shootings per year. Maybe the likelihood of a school shooting is statistically so small, that it's unlikely to happen to you. Until it happens.

Does that mean that our current gun control in place actually works?

Will they actually investigate this and close whatever hole in their security allowed this? Or will they say girls need clear purses and we will be safe for all time afterward?

I am sure it will be investigated. Something will be done and enforced for awhile until it is slowly done away.

[Nealithi]

I am sure it will be investigated. Something will be done and enforced for awhile until it is slowly done away.

Quoting each other is getting a tad bit long.

What you did not comment on is how these schools seem to fail at addressing actual problems. No images of guns in school, we need to censor our textbooks, etc. And punish children for pointing fingers or eating a poptart wrong.
But can miss a damn rifle being brought into the school.

Gun rights activists are resisting for various reasons. One the ATF making rules on what you can be arrested for. Uhm no they are the cops not the law makers, should not happen. 'Compromise' where gun owners surrender something an inch at a time. What do the antigun folk give up? Or is given to the gun owners? If you hear 'nothing' then this is not a 'compromise'.

And the 'something' done is what bothers me. Let's say they are supposed to have teachers watch the doors as the kids come in. They just didn't bother so this kid brought in a rifle. Solution, lock up phones. "See we did something!" It does not address the problem. It may address 'A' problem, but not this one. Add in that if a little observation could have caught this, what else are they ignoring.

Sorry to bring up my area again, but there were some boys going to school. Real thin and assumed to be younger than they were. The foster parents were not feeding them. They were trying to eat drywall. It was only found out how bad they were when they went dumpster diving for food. And no the family was not poor. The girls got all the food and clothing they wanted. If the school had noticed this emaciation then it would have stopped years sooner.

I hate to do the old man thing. But back in my day, my school admin was pissed if I did not wear a jacket to school in spring. I lived two blocks from school, it was chilly in the morning and warm to hot out in the afternoon. I did not have any light jackets, only winter weight coats. But the school got involved and looked for neglect and abuse.

[Nobody700]

The problem is, parental rights.

Parental rights had become SO dominating that schools can't do SHIT because parents can and will destroy their careers. A lot of schools are deathly afraid of parents who destroy their kids lives and than decide to fuck with the school who fights back, because lawmakers know these bastards will vote for more power for parents. I'm not saying parental rights in school shouldn't exist, but the line has been leapfrogged and than telefragged to a LUDICROUS degree on one side. In a lot of states, you can just demand you're homeschooling your kid... and NEVER SIGN PAPER WORK TO GET IT DONE, JUST DECLARING IT IS ALL YOU NEED!

[Thebestoftherest]

Yeah John Oliver did a video on it.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/lzsZP9o7SlI?si=5qZxrRMi32xsI9mn[/youtube]

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

What part of living in West Virginia means you need a machine gun to protect yourself, Nealithi? Or are we going with the "30-50 feral hogs" route?
I give a shit about kids who are murdered because we don't want to offend the "If I don't buy a 16th AR-15 then it will prove my neighbor has a bigger penis" lobby. Because the moment we suggest ANY kind of control measure, the law-abiding gun owners throw a tantrum.

It's not all give and take. Sometimes your freedom to own a machine for killing people is less important than a child's freedom to go to fucking school without having to learn lockdown nursery rhymes. This is literally the only country where school shootings are normal. If you law-abiding gun owners have to give up some uzi privileges, so be it.