Is it ok to be white?

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Re: Is it ok to be white?

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I'm kind of curious what the previous shitstorm is that they're referencing there.
Draco Dracul wrote: Right their in black and white it says the end goal is to secure a win for the right in culture war. American social conservatism heavily tied to racism. Additionally, have you actually read the original thread beyond the OP?
I hate to break it to you or anyone else who suffers from this viewpoint, but the right and conservatives are not synonymous with racism. That assertion is nothing more than a product of propaganda from the kind of people who would claim that every example of socialism history has seen wasn't "really" socialism. :roll:
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PlasmaHam wrote:^Good post

The Far-Left (and the media that sides with them) has become the laughing stock of American politics. Their ultra-sensitivity, fringe beliefs, and tendency to react "passionately" towards things they take offense to make them prime targets for trolls, or just people who want a good laugh. This situation here is obviously just trolls wanting to tick off SJWs for the lols and to expose their craziness to the masses. As shown clearly by that 4chan post, the purpose was clearly to get some extreme leftist reactions, not indoctrinating the masses into the white-supremacist Illuminati or whatever race-war thing you want to say.

However, just because its origin is in a joke(or a dog whistle for that matter), that doesn't mean you still can't have an adult conversations about it.
Do you have a citation? I mean, we don't flip our lids over red coffee cups.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Do you have a citation? I mean, we don't flip our lids over red coffee cups.
Don't talk about cupcakes. Cupcakes are my trigger. I need a safe space if you talk about cupcakes. Talking about cupcakes promotes patriarchy, rape culture and colonialism.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote:Do you have a citation? I mean, we don't flip our lids over red coffee cups.
Trump got elected while at the same time most who went for him are as sick of the Republican establishment as the Democrat one and would have taking any decent offering had it not just been him and the usual suspects that played to lose graciously, people being openly contrarian over racial issues (which is what most of the Alt-Right silliness is as far as I've seen from those I know on board with it when they spent early years of the politically aware life during the Bush years and most of the Obama ones sneering at the right), many Leftists closer to the center feeling abandoned if not outright pushed out of the Democratic Party that have a big Alt-Right/Right following now like Dave Ruben.
Admiral X wrote:I hate to break it to you or anyone else who suffers from this viewpoint, but the right and conservatives are not synonymous with racism. That assertion is nothing more than a product of propaganda from the kind of people who would claim that every example of socialism history has seen wasn't "really" socialism. :roll:
It's amusing for me not simply from knowing where I stand but from knowing the conservative Americans I do. About the closest things they have that's synonymous with them when it comes to their country is an expectation of legal hard work alongside a good sense of being humble about yourself (outside of being American. Talk as big a talk about being American that you wish), and if you do that, then doesn't matter what anyone thinks of you or whatever disagreements they may have personally with you, you are American and have shown it.

All the "brown people" talk too, something I've pretty much only seen come from the Left when skewering the Right is funny as hell seeing their family photos and all the miscegenation they're supposed to despise in it or idle talk of who they're fond of in the "if I wasn't happily married" kind of conversation.

If anything the Left blew their wad not realizing how tolerant the Right has been in the past few decades and that kind of continued talk with such fervor has led meany to believe that they're damned if they do damned if they don't that led to voting for such a nasty guy as Trump, the embracing the "deplorable" tag and much of the contrarianism that is at its heart taboo breaking, especially online.

The danger I fear isn't so much a blow back, but that many on the Far-Left want that blow back because they'd simply run out of real opponants to fight and needed to goad people into fighting again that seems to have revived Fascism after all these years (and sorry for anyone that thinks otherwise, but your good old American conservative despises Fascism as much as Communism, to do otherwise is not uphold America's greatest moment when everyone looked on them in a way like they look on themselves that was WWII).

If it were otherwise there wouldn't be the celebrating over Jerusalem being recognized as Israels capital going on which runs contrary to what the typical Alt-Right reaction is the typical "It's a good middle finger to the Muslims, but it's still good little goyim like Trump helping out their Jewish masters" BS.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote:
PlasmaHam wrote: The Far-Left (and the media that sides with them) has become the laughing stock of American politics. Their ultra-sensitivity, fringe beliefs, and tendency to react "passionately" towards things they take offense to make them prime targets for trolls, or just people who want a good laugh.
Do you have a citation? I mean, we don't flip our lids over red coffee cups.
I think it's fair to say that both sides of the political spectrum have people who will over-react, but it doesn't really define either side of that spectrum. My target isn't the left, but my targets do include the racists and sexists on both sides. And those signs that say "12 items or less." It's fewer, foul demons of improper grammar, and may God have mercy on your souls because you'll find none from me.

FWiW, I had to look up the coffee cup controversy. And, if "flip lids over red coffee cups" was intentional, well done.
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GandALF wrote:
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Do you have a citation? I mean, we don't flip our lids over red coffee cups.
Don't talk about cupcakes. Cupcakes are my trigger. I need a safe space if you talk about cupcakes. Talking about cupcakes promotes patriarchy, rape culture and colonialism.
...do you have a problem with some movies being Rated R for violence and sexual content? Or stage plays specifying that there will be blanks fired during the performance, for the benefit of people for whom the sound or smell of a gunshot might trigger a flashback to traumatic events?

Also, if you read my post more carefully, you will notice DIDN'T USE THE WORD "CUPCAKES"!
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Admiral X wrote:
Draco Dracul wrote: Right their in black and white it says the end goal is to secure a win for the right in culture war. American social conservatism heavily tied to racism. Additionally, have you actually read the original thread beyond the OP?
I hate to break it to you or anyone else who suffers from this viewpoint, but the right and conservatives are not synonymous with racism. That assertion is nothing more than a product of propaganda from the kind of people who would claim that every example of socialism history has seen wasn't "really" socialism. :roll:
I agree, right-wing and conservatism isn't inherently racists, and socialism without capitialism has always fails and almost certainly will always fail. None of that changes the deep ties between American Social Conservatism. The deal to take in the Dixiecrats alienated by LBJ backing civil rights planted the seed, the combination of Clinton picking off moderates via triangulation, the collapse of neo-conservatism from the fallout of the Iraq war, and the heavy use of xenophobia to rally the TEA party have lead to a republican party powered by it's racist elements. The Alt-right ins't a response to the republican leadership, but a natural culmination.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote:
GandALF wrote:
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Do you have a citation? I mean, we don't flip our lids over red coffee cups.
Don't talk about cupcakes. Cupcakes are my trigger. I need a safe space if you talk about cupcakes. Talking about cupcakes promotes patriarchy, rape culture and colonialism.
...do you have a problem with some movies being Rated R for violence and sexual content? Or stage plays specifying that there will be blanks fired during the performance, for the benefit of people for whom the sound or smell of a gunshot might trigger a flashback to traumatic events?

Also, if you read my post more carefully, you will notice DIDN'T USE THE WORD "CUPCAKES"!
Pretty sure he was joking... Wait, are you joking? It's kind of hard to tell sometimes...
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Draco Dracul wrote:
Admiral X wrote:
Draco Dracul wrote: Right their in black and white it says the end goal is to secure a win for the right in culture war. American social conservatism heavily tied to racism. Additionally, have you actually read the original thread beyond the OP?
I hate to break it to you or anyone else who suffers from this viewpoint, but the right and conservatives are not synonymous with racism. That assertion is nothing more than a product of propaganda from the kind of people who would claim that every example of socialism history has seen wasn't "really" socialism. :roll:
I agree, right-wing and conservatism isn't inherently racists, and socialism without capitialism has always fails and almost certainly will always fail. None of that changes the deep ties between American Social Conservatism. The deal to take in the Dixiecrats alienated by LBJ backing civil rights planted the seed, the combination of Clinton picking off moderates via triangulation, the collapse of neo-conservatism from the fallout of the Iraq war, and the heavy use of xenophobia to rally the TEA party have lead to a republican party powered by it's racist elements. The Alt-right ins't a response to the republican leadership, but a natural culmination.
What does xenophobie mean exactly? Is there something wrong with saying the US has a limited number of immigrants it can integrate? That there are a limited number of jobs? That the US should not welcome every Rahim, Milos and Miguel with behind the times values with open arms?
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Agent Vinod wrote:
Draco Dracul wrote:
Admiral X wrote:
Draco Dracul wrote: Right their in black and white it says the end goal is to secure a win for the right in culture war. American social conservatism heavily tied to racism. Additionally, have you actually read the original thread beyond the OP?
I hate to break it to you or anyone else who suffers from this viewpoint, but the right and conservatives are not synonymous with racism. That assertion is nothing more than a product of propaganda from the kind of people who would claim that every example of socialism history has seen wasn't "really" socialism. :roll:
I agree, right-wing and conservatism isn't inherently racists, and socialism without capitialism has always fails and almost certainly will always fail. None of that changes the deep ties between American Social Conservatism. The deal to take in the Dixiecrats alienated by LBJ backing civil rights planted the seed, the combination of Clinton picking off moderates via triangulation, the collapse of neo-conservatism from the fallout of the Iraq war, and the heavy use of xenophobia to rally the TEA party have lead to a republican party powered by it's racist elements. The Alt-right ins't a response to the republican leadership, but a natural culmination.
What does xenophobie mean exactly? Is there something wrong with saying the US has a limited number of immigrants it can integrate? That there are a limited number of jobs? That the US should not welcome every Rahim, Milos and Miguel with behind the times values with open arms?
You bloody well know what it means.

Btw, agriculture is falling off because of crackdowns on immigration. The farm employers have a shortage of labor because native-born white people are unwilling to do the work of "Rahim, MIlos and Miguel".

Also, read the words under the chucklefucking Statue of Liberty.
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