JK Rowling Backlash

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I doubt it was a misreading.

But “obsessively flood trans coworkers with hundreds of messages over a few months insisting they are men and that trans people don’t actually exist” goes well beyond the bounds of “saying sex is real”, which is why the judge recognized her for what she was: someone trying to claim bigotry and harassment as protected speech.

Right I just meant she [JKR] was misdirected on the whole ordeal in some way and mischaracterizing the trial satisfies that condition.

[AlucardNoir]

I doubt it was a misreading.

But “obsessively flood trans coworkers with hundreds of messages over a few months insisting they are men and that trans people don’t actually exist” goes well beyond the bounds of “saying sex is real”, which is why the judge recognized her for what she was: someone trying to claim bigotry and harassment as protected speech.

What the fuck are you talking about CmdrKing?

From: https://drive.google.com/file/d/12P9zf82TicPs2cCxlTnm0TrNFDD8Gaz5/view
via: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/18/judge-rules-against-charity-worker-who-lost-job-over-transgender-tweets

The court considered the importance of a person being able to live in the gender to which they had transitioned and not being forced to identify the gender they were assigned at birth. The Court also rejected a purely biological approach to gender based only on chromosomal analysis.

Much of the debate that I was shown has played out on Twitter, giving little space for subtle development of ideas.

I also cannot ignore that the Claimant’s approach (save in respect of refusing to accept that a Gender Recognition Certificate changes a person’s sex for all purposes) is largely that currently adopted by the law, which still treats sex as binary as defined on a birth certificate.

The judge rejects biology while admiring the UK and most biologists still hold to the binary model.

She (Maya Forstater) was fired for tweeting and, worse yet, retweeting. There is no "misreading" or miscommunication here. The judge upheld her firing based mainly on actions that has nothing to do with her job. For fucks sake, one of the pieces of evidence is a letter fragment sent by her to an MP.

[LittleRaven]

Labour takes up Cmdr's flag.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/01/27/labour-leadership-trans-rights-emily-thornberry-lisa-nandy-rebecca-long-bailey-keir-starmer/

Rebecca Long-Bailey, Emily Thornberry and Lisa Nandy all spoke strongly in support of trans rights at an Open Labour leadership hustings in Nottingham on January 26.

After the drubbing they received during the last election, Labour is desperately in need of an overhaul. Maybe this can get Bolsover back on their side.

[CmdrKing]

“Biological sex” encompasses more than karyotype. No scientifically useful definition of sex includes only karyotype, and so any laws that do so are politically motivated garbage.

*and even karyotype* isn’t binary!

I can’t stop you from pretending that hundreds of tweets on the same subject with the intent of making sure your coworkers see it isn’t harassment. But it’s harassment.

(Also Forstarter was a public representative of her company using a public social media account so y’know mayhaps they didn’t want a fucking bigot in that job. But that’s just me.)

[AlucardNoir]

“Biological sex” encompasses more than karyotype. No scientifically useful definition of sex includes only karyotype, and so any laws that do so are politically motivated garbage.

*and even karyotype* isn’t binary!

I can’t stop you from pretending that hundreds of tweets on the same subject with the intent of making sure your coworkers see it isn’t harassment. But it’s harassment.

(Also Forstarter was a public representative of her company using a public social media account so y’know mayhaps they didn’t want a fucking bigot in that job. But that’s just me.)

If by public representative you mean she was employed by the think tank and it was public, and by public social media account you mean her own social media account then sure. She was harassing her colleagues on her own Twitter by holding a gun to their head and forcing them to read what she wrote.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

So it's kinda like that porn star that lambasted a bisexual performer on Twitter and got a bunch of backlash for it?

[clearspira]

Labour takes up Cmdr's flag.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/01/27/labour-leadership-trans-rights-emily-thornberry-lisa-nandy-rebecca-long-bailey-keir-starmer/

Rebecca Long-Bailey, Emily Thornberry and Lisa Nandy all spoke strongly in support of trans rights at an Open Labour leadership hustings in Nottingham on January 26.

After the drubbing they received during the last election, Labour is desperately in need of an overhaul. Maybe this can get Bolsover back on their side.

This isn't going to do shit for Labour's popularity.

Let me be blunt: there are two worlds in society right now, the social media world and the real world. The social media world, with its 50 genders, its passion for identity politics, its readiness to label everything as an -ism or an -ist, its ability to make me laugh at anyone who ends their posts with he/him for no God damn real reason is the place where Corbyn style politics (who those women you mentioned above are very much successors to) is lapped up. In the real world however, people are more interested in things like mortgage rates, wages, the NHS, Brexit, school places etc. Identity politics is WAYYYYY down the list which is why every politician that bases their campaign around such things almost always loses.

I can promise you that it is those people in the real world who are more likely to vote than those in the social media world. That is why despite the threatened ''armies of young people coming out in force to vote for Corbyn'' actually the stats for 2019 show what they always show: grown-ups vote, the youth do not. And by 2024 those students will not be students any more, they too will be grown-ups with actual problems and will probably vote along those lines.

Or in other words, most people's interest in trans rights when it comes to voting can be summed up as ''sort those other twenty things out first and then perhaps I will care.'' Again, lets be blunt here instead of being wishful: a great number of people do not care one bit about things that do not directly affect them. And as long as transfolk make up barely 1% of the population and gays make up barely 6%, even the most amazing LGBT policies will not translate into votes. And that is just the way that it is.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Labour takes up Cmdr's flag.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/01/27/labour-leadership-trans-rights-emily-thornberry-lisa-nandy-rebecca-long-bailey-keir-starmer/

Rebecca Long-Bailey, Emily Thornberry and Lisa Nandy all spoke strongly in support of trans rights at an Open Labour leadership hustings in Nottingham on January 26.

After the drubbing they received during the last election, Labour is desperately in need of an overhaul. Maybe this can get Bolsover back on their side.

This isn't going to do shit for Labour's popularity.

Let me be blunt: there are two worlds in society right now, the social media world and the real world. The social media world, with its 50 genders, its passion for identity politics, its readiness to label everything as an -ism or an -ist, its ability to make me laugh at anyone who ends their posts with he/him for no God damn real reason is the place where Corbyn style politics (who those women you mentioned above are very much successors to) is lapped up. In the real world however, people are more interested in things like mortgage rates, wages, the NHS, Brexit, school places etc. Identity politics is WAYYYYY down the list which is why every politician that bases their campaign around such things almost always loses.

I can promise you that it is those people in the real world who are more likely to vote than those in the social media world. That is why despite the threatened ''armies of young people coming out in force to vote for Corbyn'' actually the stats for 2019 show what they always show: grown-ups vote, the youth do not. And by 2024 those students will not be students any more, they too will be grown-ups with actual problems and will probably vote along those lines.

Or in other words, most people's interest in trans rights when it comes to voting can be summed up as ''sort those other twenty things out first and then perhaps I will care.'' Again, lets be blunt here instead of being wishful: a great number of people do not care one bit about things that do not directly affect them. And as long as transfolk make up barely 1% of the population and gays make up barely 6%, even the most amazing LGBT policies will not translate into votes. And that is just the way that it is.

I think this is actually a fair description of how the voting market works as far as broad divisivity. I would say that in fairness trans identity platforms don't necessarily preclude all the other important stuff you speak of. If those candidates fail to sell on those issues, especially in England which I know nothing about, then that's fair too, that's the game of politics. Stuff like trans rights though in particular do have more institutional reform in mind that isn't a noticeable fiscal burden at a lot of significant stages. And further and again, I wouldn't say that every small business has to add a third and maybe fourth bathroom, but changing stuff like identification processes so that non-binary people can register is a pretty modest proposal that means a lot to the movement.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

All I can think of is how funny it is, in hindsight, that of the YA authors from my childhood. Stephenie Meyers is the one who had the good sense to keep her mouth shut and J. K. Rowling became a walking advertisement for Death of the Author as a school of literary criticism.

[Deledrius]

All I can think of is how funny it is, in hindsight, that of the YA authors from my childhood. Stephenie Meyers is the one who had the good sense to keep her mouth shut and J. K. Rowling became a walking advertisement for Death of the Author as a school of literary criticism.

It makes sense, if you consider the differences in how they were treated at the time of the work's release.