clearspira wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 11:48 amLast week when PM May pitched her final withdraw deal she came out with the line ''the referendum was decisive
but close''.
And that has been the whole problem for the last three years because until now she has seemingly failed to recognise that. I voted Brexit and I will continue to do so. But I also recognise that 52/48 is a problematic margin. Democracy via sticking your finger up at the losers is a bad call.
That's a thing that riles me up about this debacle. Such a fundamental decission should not be decided by a single vote in the first place. There's a reason why many democracies bar changes in their constitution behind a 2/3rds vote and here you can see why. But even disregarding that, because the referendum, to my understanding, legally has absolutely no power whatsoever and was barely more than an opinon poll, there still is the issue that since that refererendum, "the BrExiters" (quotation marks, because I know it's not everyone's opinion in that camp, like you for example) pretends as if everyone has to be on board with BrExit now, not just calling people "Remoaners", but outright traitors. Literally overnight, every Remainer in the Parliament seemed to have drunken a Hyde-serum and marches behind BrExit. Why? Is the UK somehow a state where everyone has to think and want the same as the 50.0000[...]1%-majority? Since when? Isn't the entire point of a democracy, to give everyone a voice and to allow everyone to have his opinion and to freely act according to their personal believes, assuming they don't conflict with the law? Did the UK transform into a facist dictatorship with the referendum somehow? Just WTF was going on there?
clearspira wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 11:48 amAs for deal or no deal, I have always been for a deal. Y'know, I followed the entire campaign closely. And I do not recall a single member of the leave campaign advocating no deal three years ago. It was an unspoken guarantee that these trade deals they speak of would flow fast and true and that the EU would roll over to deal with us. Go ahead, show me a clip of Ferage, Johnson or Gove advocating no deal back in 2016 and I will admit I am wrong. But to me, this has been a very recent development ever since Brexit started to go belly up.
I doubt I will be able to find that, precisely because all the big names were argueing that it'd be oh so easy to make trade deals and that the EU would go all belly up for the wishes of the precious UK. It still baffles me that one could believe, that you can get everything you want in a deal between supposedly equal partners, while your partner just folds and gives you everything you want, even if it means that your partner has to abandon it's basic principles. How is that supposed to work? And here we are, 3 years later, being dumbfounded by the fact that someone actually decided to not bend over and spread his cheeks for the wishes of a cocked up elite that lost all touch with reality.
The amount of willful ignorance and what I can only describe as baleful misleading of the public on display in this matter, leaves me completely baffled. But to be honest, we should not be surprised that this obvious development was something that would completely fly over the heads of elites like these, because clearly they never had to deal with someone not bending over, when they demanded it.
clearspira wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 11:48 amAnd once again, May deserves a lot of blame here. She NEVER should have said ''no deal is better than a bad deal'' because its untrue and she politically died on that hill when hard leavers came to collect on that statement.
True. No Deal is the worst scenario for everyone involved and, frankly, everyone advertising it as a good choice, should be put into a straight-jacket. I totally buy that she felt that she'd "bow to the will of the people" and took up the scepter when all the people responsible for this disaster scurried away like the cockroaches they are, after the referendum. I don't buy for a second, that she actually knew what she was doing anywhere along this long and rocky road, however.
Oh and P.S., as I could not find a place to insert this afterthought: Noone of the prominent BrExiters could have wanted a BrExit in the first place. Those who allegedly did, never expected it to happen and they only advocated for it, because it gave them a political and financial niche just one level of being an irrelevant backbencher at most. Farage's entire livelyhood was based on him being an EU-MP for example. They fumbled this badly, because they completely underestimated, what decades of blaming the EU for all that went wrong in the UK's internal affairs and increasing social unrest would result in. The worst part is, that this exact same thing could happen to every EU-memberstate, because blaming the EU for everything that their population does not like (while conviniently omitting that their own government did not veto what they supposedly did not want to do) is like a national sport everywhere. This is just so pants on head...
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