Another School Shooting, this time in Florida

[Robovski]

I am honestly not interested in what children have to say about lawmaking. I am interested in what adult citizens have to say about lawmaking in my country.

[excalibur]

Not lashing out literally like Black Lives Matter protests but I do believe these kids are misguided, don't understand current laws and are being pushed by the adults to forward their agenda. It's not research the problem in society. I have no problems. They want knee jerk emotionally driven laws made right now, like assault weapons ban. That's not helpful. And no amount of crying will change anything

Okay, that's an answer, but I still don't see how any of this leads you to the conclusion "Guns in a America are different from guns anywhere else." What does all of this have to do with gun violence and attempts to limit preventable deaths?

I focus on the violence part of that term. Not the gun part. What I said before, guns are not the problem. The people who use them are. Somehow making laws that do not work, because they have been tried before, does not prevent these types of people from doing evil. And to me, it's not about numbers of death. It's how. These guys that shoot up schools are no different than Jeffrey Dahmer or Timothy McVeigh or Ted Bundy or John Wayne Gacy or Charles Manson. And these other guys have become infamous far beyond the tools they used. It's very short sighted to say, this guy used a gun, we should ban all guns. That's your mindset. You think guns enable evil. They do not. We need to look beyond the gun and focus on the person and the why and how we can prevent another one like it from doing evil.

[PerrySimm]

"Those people are not entitled to an opinion" is not a sentiment that belongs in a healthy debate on public policy.

[ORCACommander]

except according to the law, Children/Minors have a very narrow scope of rights and those do not include the right to vote. So, A their opinion literally does not matter in policy making, although it would be callous to disregard it completely. And B, these victims specifically we should disregard their opinions. Laws can not be made with emotional bias. Its the same reason why criminal trials are done by jury and not the victim.

[excalibur]

We've raised a modern society where we forget the roots of where civilization came from. It used to be when a child reaches early teens, he or she should have already been taught how to survive in the world. Instead we sheltered them in buildings with little to no protection, feed them knowledge without context, that aren't practical and expect them to take higher education without understanding what that's supposed to mean. We don't crack down hard enough on bullying or teach children how to be resilient. We baby them and that breeds weakness, complacency and ignorance of the world outside their little bubble of pretend safety we've cast over them.

[Admiral X]

As I've seen stated elsewhere, just last week there were legislators proposing that they needed to make laws to keep kids the age of these high-schoolers from eating laundry soap,

But seriously, these kids have undergone a massively traumatic experience, and are being exploited by adults to further their political agenda. It's disgusting.

[Wild_Kraken]

And while we're making preparations to turn schools into actual safe places, let's look at why since the 90s there's been so many kids that become stone cold killers because as I said before, pre-90s, school shootings weren't a thing.

What exactly do you propose we do if/when the cause of mass shootings is discovered? Are we to seriously believe that the same people who fight tooth and nail against even the most token of gun control will suddenly be in favor of controlling whatever the cause turns out to be? What if the cause of mass shootings is proven to be the guns themselves? What if there's multiple causes? What if each separate shooting has its own unique cause that can't be universalized to other such events?

What causes mass shootings doesn't matter. Potential mass murderers can't act out if the tools of mass murder are removed. That's the only effective solution.

[excalibur]

And that's the stupid mindset. Guns do not enable evil. Weapons themselves don't turn people into violent killers. Personally I think the mass media has created more shooters with their sensationalized reporting than anything else. Unknown killers made famous by the media and people watching them. The recent killer even posted months before that he wanted to become a professional school shooter. That type of thinking can only be birth from influences like the media that enables his disturbed mind.

We already know that picking up a gun doesn't turn you into a killer. Guns are not cursed items that grant its user some kind of possession that makes them inhuman. People who blame the gun are looking for an excuse as a result of their emotions and short sightedness

[Wild_Kraken]

The recent killer even posted months before that he wanted to become a professional school shooter.

So someone wants to be a school shooter. If they don't have a gun, how do they accomplish this goal?

[excalibur]

The recent killer even posted months before that he wanted to become a professional school shooter.

So someone wants to be a school shooter. If they don't have a gun, how do they accomplish this goal?

Fire. Stabbing. Drive a car into a group of people. A bomb. Pick one.

Again, you think a gun enables a killer. It doesn't