Trump moves to deport Vietnam war refugees

[Madner Kami]

[...] only about 8600 Vietnamese nationals are subject to deportation (90% of whom have criminal convictions).

If I were you, I'd get suspicious if I get confronted by such numbers.

[G-Man]

[...] only about 8600 Vietnamese nationals are subject to deportation (90% of whom have criminal convictions).

If I were you, I'd get suspicious if I get confronted by such numbers.

Why? What are you thinking that ICE is hiding? Btw, the article actually said 7,821 of the 8600 Vietnamese nationals subject to deportation as of last year had criminal convictions, the 90% figure was my calculation.

[Madner Kami]

[...] only about 8600 Vietnamese nationals are subject to deportation (90% of whom have criminal convictions).

If I were you, I'd get suspicious if I get confronted by such numbers.

Why? What are you thinking that ICE is hiding? Btw, the article actually said 7,821 of the 8600 Vietnamese nationals subject to deportation as of last year had criminal convictions, the 90% figure was my calculation.

Because there's something behind those numbers that needs to be investigated. What have the remaining 779 people done to deserve deportation? What exactly did those 7,821 convicts do in the first place? It's apparently bad enough that the US wants them to go away, but how do these 7,821 convicts and 779 non-convicts overlap beyond being Vietnamese, if whatever those 7,821 people have done is terrible enough to want to get rid of them, but clearly not bad enough to get the remaining 779 people to jail? So their conviction can't be the reason for their deportation and, furthermore, drawing attention to the number of convicts could be an intentional mislead.

Numbers are always decieving and numbers always tell more than just their absolute value. A vote that ends with a 90% result, is clearly a land-slide victory for one side, but it also shows that the vote was about something that the overwhelming majority was in agreement with, so why needed there a vote to begin with? A vote that ends with 90% is always rigged in one way or another. Conversely a statistic that lumps-in apparently regular people with an arseload of bad people tells a second story that needs to be looked at. After all, 100% of all people convicted of a crime, were breathing air. Furthermore, 100% of all people accused of a crime did also breath air. Breathing air clearly is a sign of criminal or potentially criminal behaviour, is it not?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Maybe their visas expired.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Anyways for clarification, when I brought up the Reuters article, I wasn't exhibiting it as evidence of illicit policy but simply more information surrounding the circumstance of Vietnamese refugees and Trump administration's handling of them.

I didn't exactly wrap my head around the whole thing yet. I think the 779 lingering refugees that didn't commit crimes is worth inquiring about, though I'm not exactly correlating smoke to fire there.

Something that I did find interest in was the fact that post-conflict, people were still fleeing Vietnam from 1975 to 1995 and later. People that sided with the South were apparently still seen as potentially hostile by the North. I believe that improved relations between Vietnam and US (due to economic commerce incentive) did something to improve that situation, but I'd assume there's still room for concern.

[G-Man]

Because there's something behind those numbers that needs to be investigated. What have the remaining 779 people done to deserve deportation? What exactly did those 7,821 convicts do in the first place? It's apparently bad enough that the US wants them to go away, but how do these 7,821 convicts and 779 non-convicts overlap beyond being Vietnamese, if whatever those 7,821 people have done is terrible enough to want to get rid of them, but clearly not bad enough to get the remaining 779 people to jail? So their conviction can't be the reason for their deportation and, furthermore, drawing attention to the number of convicts could be an intentional mislead.

Numbers are always deceiving and numbers always tell more than just their absolute value. A vote that ends with a 90% result, is clearly a land-slide victory for one side, but it also shows that the vote was about something that the overwhelming majority was in agreement with, so why needed there a vote to begin with? A vote that ends with 90% is always rigged in one way or another. Conversely a statistic that lumps-in apparently regular people with an arseload of bad people tells a second story that needs to be looked at. After all, 100% of all people convicted of a crime, were breathing air. Furthermore, 100% of all people accused of a crime did also breath air. Breathing air clearly is a sign of criminal or potentially criminal behaviour, is it not?

I think you missed my point, which is that the article implies that Trump is trying to deport Vietnamese refugees from 1975-1995 en masse when letting the treaty expire will only affect a relatively small number of them (note that 8600 is the total number of Vietnamese nationals subject to deportation, not all of them would be from the 1975-1995 period).

The reason I pointed out that 90% were convicts is to point out that the number of people who are subject to deportation for reasons other than crimes is very small (around 779), which belies the implication in the article that Trump is trying to mass deport Vietnamese. (I also would suspect that the non-convicts are likely all from after 1995).

[G-Man]

I didn't exactly wrap my head around the whole thing yet. I think the 779 lingering refugees that didn't commit crimes is worth inquiring about, though I'm not exactly correlating smoke to fire there.

That's 779 Vietnamese nationals. It was not indicated whether any of them were refugees. And again, it is not clear that any of them are part of the 1975-1995 migration that is covered under the treaty.