Mueller Investigation Notes

[Yukaphile]

It still created bad blood. In 2008, Clinton worked hard to elect Obama. But Sanders, given his nature as an establishment "outsider" and how he alienates his allies, naturally wouldn't do that. So it was a useless gesture.

Yeah, I don't want the system burnt down either. These hardcore nutcases want a revolution like they had in Russia or France. And you saw what that led to. Napoleon, civil war, and turning a whole generation of young men and women into barbarians under the boot of an oppressive dictatorship. These children strike me as particularly ignorant. Especially given they are spoiled, have had everything in life handed to them, and wouldn't have lasted a day in the civil rights marches or the worker riots. Yet they act as if they're a new revolution that will usher into paradise. What delusions of grandeur.

[Admiral X]

I really don't get the hate boner you have for Sanders. He got screwed over by the DNC and from that point on backed Clinton - there is no way he can be blamed in any way for her loss or for any of the identity politics crap that is the reason the Democratic Party continues to fail at everything.

[Yukaphile]

@Admiral X How was he screwed over by the DNC? He wasn't a Democrat that felt entitled to run on our platform simply because he's caucused with them in the past, and then as the race ran on, felt entitled to win, even though he's not a team player. I've battled with this against other Libertarians as well. He had every chance to win. He chose not to. Yeah, you may sneer at "identity politics," but he has identity politics all his own - emphasis on "white men." The "white working class." That's identity politics, bro. And it's why minorities weren't inclined to give him a chance (Danny Glover, I believe, even outright admitted they treated their black outreach program as a joke, I believe) and why many women who studied his past were repulsed by his sexual depravities that frankly mirror the worst excesses of the GOP. Sanders is hardly the Feminist champion dumb young girls of Gen Z and Millennials thought he was. I've compared this before to a PTA meeting. Just because Clinton was favored, doesn't mean she was crowned. I mean, let's say you got a hard-working mother who organizes things at the aforementioned PTA, who gets along well with the others, and is generally well-liked by them - versus the cranky, crotchety old janitor who doesn't get along well with others and generally makes life miserable for people as he mumbles to himself while doing his job. Who do you think should be given a leadership position? And no, I saw him at the convention. He was literally scowling and it's plain as day he didn't want to endorse her, spent the first few months writing a book, then when he came to campaign it was with limp-wristed reluctance while dropping subtle winks and nudges that his voters should go third-party. Sanders is a master of dog-whistle language, and in my mind, I tend to see him as GOP lite. He is very much like the Republicans Democrats say we need to oppose and be hard-line against, so why aren't we being hard-line against him? I'll also tell you this. Superdelegates don't mean shit. They were instituted by Sanders' campaign manager as a firewall against a rogue insurgent outsider candidate, and now the bastard has tied some of them to the state's results - but fine, whatever. If there had been any sign Sanders would win, they'd have swung over to him, or he'd have a stronger case for wanting them to side with him, when Clinton simply racked up more delegates. It's basic math, dude. And I don't see how you can't get a clear-eyed glimpse into his mindset when, as he's losing the basic delegates that ARE bound to state results, then demand the superdelegates override the will of the people and anoint him as the candidate? That's outright Soviet-style tyranny, and need I remind you, Sanders is a USSR fanboy? Why do you like him anyway? I thought you'd hate Communists.

[Admiral X]

I don't like Sanders, but I'm also fair. I find it surprising that you don't think he joined in on the identity politics thing though considering he's been heavily mocked for at one point claiming that white people don't know what it's like to live in a ghetto (oh the historical irony), and at one point letting his podium get taken over by some women from BLM. Your comparisons of him to Republicans is also seemingly out of no where, because as you say, he's a commie.

[Yukaphile]

That's just pandering, plain and simple, the way all politicians offer empty words without substance to get people to vote for them. And he may identify with Communism and was a major USSR fanboy, but in truth, he shares too much similarities to the GOP to make me comfortable. Like how he's a privileged old white man who's in bed with the gun industry and has frankly regressive views on women and women's rights.

[Admiral X]

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[Karha of Honor]

Yup. The "progressive" media is still saying this doesn't actually prove there was no collusion even as they cry about their fantasy of the President being impeached disappearing like a fart in the wind.

Much like Obama, I don't hate the man, I simply disagree with the majority of his politics, though Obama tended to be a lot less of a blowhard. I suppose the thing Trump has going for him is that he is entirely straightforward when compared to most politicians. I will continue to reference him as the God Emperor, though.

He is annoyingly unfocused.

Or he was under a lot of pressure and could not focus on winning important victories from the left....

I really don't get the hate boner you have for Sanders. He got screwed over by the DNC and from that point on backed Clinton - there is no way he can be blamed in any way for her loss or for any of the identity politics crap that is the reason the Democratic Party continues to fail at everything.

He should have stood up when he was being interrupted by BLM instead of standing down.

[Yukaphile]

Okay, seriously, WHY do you call it "the progressive media," Admiral X, eh? You are aware that even on very left-leaning stations like MSNBC, they have a news segment specifically dedicated to a Republican known as Morning Joe? Or how about the former Ed Schultz, who was a Republican, I hear? I really hate people calling it "the liberal media" when I've seen Clinton voters call it the "corporate media" alongside Sanders voters and bitch at it for painting the facts the way they want and shaping perceptions to push an agenda. Nixon called it "the liberal media" too and it was one big conspiracy to him, thus was the genesis of Fox News. Just more proof that since the 1970s, Libertarians are just GOP Lite.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Libertarians are just GOP Lite.

Give the man a cigar! Libertarian: For when you want to continue redlining and massive wealth inequity, but still like weed and "sticking it to the man".

[Karha of Honor]

Libertarians are just GOP Lite.

Give the man a cigar! Libertarian: For when you want to continue redlining and massive wealth inequity, but still like weed and "sticking it to the man".

Because the well connected won't redline access to wealth socialist states...

Okay, seriously, WHY do you call it "the progressive media," Admiral X, eh?

Because eveytime your side denies progressive media dominance your crew ends up being frustrated after the argument silently because your tribe clearly dominates the media and there is no point in denial.