Motorcycle Airbags...as a subscription service

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Because homes without gas slowly get colder but motorcyclists who hit the wrong bump get skull-penetrating road rash very very quickly.

[Nealithi]

Home heating has to do with safety to. It can be a pretty intrusive monthly cost. So my question is, why does what you're saying technically not apply to home gas heating?

There are laws that put penalties on companies that turn off your heat in the winter. Some still do and them killing someone hits the news and that company is sued. At my work the building owner took out the heaters mid winter and was reminded she was responsible for heating the building. Failure to do so was going to cost her millions. (Building is not worth that much) So she not only had to provide space heaters for every desk, pay the electric bill for the month. But had to expedite the installation of new heaters.

A closer comparison might be specific taxes. Like a town having a tax to keep up the fire company.
In my town enough pay into it and pay at any fundraisers the department has they keep going.
But a (I think) Tennessee town had a proviso that if you did not pay you were not covered. When a family's house caught fire a councilman went and made sure the fire department did not put out the house. Just kept it from spreading to the covered houses on either side.
I think that town ended up under investigation after the third uncovered house caught fire. Probably because of an old saying. "Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action."

So there are still laws to protect citizens even with paid safety. And thanks to this thread I am understanding that we have been paying fees for safety for far longer than I realized. Is it too early to start drinking today?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Home heating has to do with safety to. It can be a pretty intrusive monthly cost. So my question is, why does what you're saying technically not apply to home gas heating?

There are laws that put penalties on companies that turn off your heat in the winter. Some still do and them killing someone hits the news and that company is sued. At my work the building owner took out the heaters mid winter and was reminded she was responsible for heating the building. Failure to do so was going to cost her millions. (Building is not worth that much) So she not only had to provide space heaters for every desk, pay the electric bill for the month. But had to expedite the installation of new heaters.

A closer comparison might be specific taxes. Like a town having a tax to keep up the fire company.
In my town enough pay into it and pay at any fundraisers the department has they keep going.
But a (I think) Tennessee town had a proviso that if you did not pay you were not covered. When a family's house caught fire a councilman went and made sure the fire department did not put out the house. Just kept it from spreading to the covered houses on either side.
I think that town ended up under investigation after the third uncovered house caught fire. Probably because of an old saying. "Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action."

So there are still laws to protect citizens even with paid safety. And thanks to this thread I am understanding that we have been paying fees for safety for far longer than I realized. Is it too early to start drinking today?

Not bad.

Getting more comprehensive, we start running into a six of one half a dozen reasoning. The vest is designed, remotely, to go into a 30-day grace period. Flaws in the programming is a problem with anything, particularly computerized safety which isn't too uncommon. To the point where you're saying "yeah but *something* could go wrong," the fact that it's correlated to a financial operation instead of another operation becomes more trivial.

There's also the matter that public utilities are highly regulatable, and have to do with general safety and not circumstantial. In most cases there is no market for utilities, it's just one company that has to be super loyal to both customers and regulators at the same time. Internet/phone companies on the other hand are not barred to the same burden. Are they life-saving? Arguably. I'd say imminent danger isn't really the prime function of networked communication, but it's pretty vital, possibly for the very type of situation we're speculating over. This company that's under question just makes vests.

[McAvoy]

It's a safety feature. A big one at that. It would be no different if airbags were developed today and if you wanted them to work, you had to pay a subscription to work.

It's a product that has to be designed and invented, and it costs money for it to all come together. Are you aware of the commercial burden put in place and how that creates a complicated dynamic of supply availability? Also, of the fact that you can buy it for $800 for out of link usage, as noted by our trusty admin SFdebris.net, TGLS?

Volvo gave away the invention of seat belts for free and that was in the 50's. I think the air bag was developed around the same time. Both took time to be implemented. Once they were introduced, do you think the cars were more expensive than the ones without them?

My point while not exactly like what is happening here is that, it took money to develop the safety features of a car and perhaps it was carried over to the consumer somehow. But not a single manufacturer withheld the tech unless you paid for it.

This is really irrational. Why are you talking about Volvo when this is a part company? They make vests and don't make motorcycles and don't have a fleet of cars for testing and practical implementation for cost effective measure. I compare it to a premium sound system because it essentially has nothing to do with the design of the car for like 90+% product specification.

This kind of design was never part of any motorcycle on the market, partly because it's not part of the motorcycle.

I'm having trouble finding irony in the comparison still.

I compare it to Volvo because the simple fact irregardless of profit making they let other much much bigger industries take the invention.

Oh and a sound system means jackshit when it comes to safety.

Fine let's compare. Car or motorcycle means jackshit for safety. You want me to pay a month for a sound system? Sounds like XM Radio to me. I got the system in place but I need to pay into the subscription to keep it active? Yeah satellite radio!

Home heating has to do with safety to. It can be a pretty intrusive monthly cost. So my question is, why does what you're saying technically not apply to home gas heating?

It's a utility just like electricity. Also it may vary state to state but aren't there some laws or something about that with the Wellness Check police sometimes do. Especially if children are present.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Home heating has to do with safety to. It can be a pretty intrusive monthly cost. So my question is, why does what you're saying technically not apply to home gas heating?

There are laws that put penalties on companies that turn off your heat in the winter. Some still do and them killing someone hits the news and that company is sued. At my work the building owner took out the heaters mid winter and was reminded she was responsible for heating the building. Failure to do so was going to cost her millions. (Building is not worth that much) So she not only had to provide space heaters for every desk, pay the electric bill for the month. But had to expedite the installation of new heaters.

A closer comparison might be specific taxes. Like a town having a tax to keep up the fire company.
In my town enough pay into it and pay at any fundraisers the department has they keep going.
But a (I think) Tennessee town had a proviso that if you did not pay you were not covered. When a family's house caught fire a councilman went and made sure the fire department did not put out the house. Just kept it from spreading to the covered houses on either side.
I think that town ended up under investigation after the third uncovered house caught fire. Probably because of an old saying. "Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action."

So there are still laws to protect citizens even with paid safety. And thanks to this thread I am understanding that we have been paying fees for safety for far longer than I realized. Is it too early to start drinking today?

It's the pandemic, you get at least seven unscheduled day-drinking Free Passes.

But yeah. Mob protection rackets are just less sophisticated versions of a lot of legal things.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Home heating has to do with safety to. It can be a pretty intrusive monthly cost. So my question is, why does what you're saying technically not apply to home gas heating?

There are laws that put penalties on companies that turn off your heat in the winter. Some still do and them killing someone hits the news and that company is sued. At my work the building owner took out the heaters mid winter and was reminded she was responsible for heating the building. Failure to do so was going to cost her millions. (Building is not worth that much) So she not only had to provide space heaters for every desk, pay the electric bill for the month. But had to expedite the installation of new heaters.

A closer comparison might be specific taxes. Like a town having a tax to keep up the fire company.
In my town enough pay into it and pay at any fundraisers the department has they keep going.
But a (I think) Tennessee town had a proviso that if you did not pay you were not covered. When a family's house caught fire a councilman went and made sure the fire department did not put out the house. Just kept it from spreading to the covered houses on either side.
I think that town ended up under investigation after the third uncovered house caught fire. Probably because of an old saying. "Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action."

So there are still laws to protect citizens even with paid safety. And thanks to this thread I am understanding that we have been paying fees for safety for far longer than I realized. Is it too early to start drinking today?

It's the pandemic, you get at least seven unscheduled day-drinking Free Passes.

But yeah. Mob protection rackets are just less sophisticated versions of a lot of legal things.

Gambling, loan agency... security. Everything a grown boy needs.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It's a safety feature. A big one at that. It would be no different if airbags were developed today and if you wanted them to work, you had to pay a subscription to work.

It's a product that has to be designed and invented, and it costs money for it to all come together. Are you aware of the commercial burden put in place and how that creates a complicated dynamic of supply availability? Also, of the fact that you can buy it for $800 for out of link usage, as noted by our trusty admin SFdebris.net, TGLS?

Volvo gave away the invention of seat belts for free and that was in the 50's. I think the air bag was developed around the same time. Both took time to be implemented. Once they were introduced, do you think the cars were more expensive than the ones without them?

My point while not exactly like what is happening here is that, it took money to develop the safety features of a car and perhaps it was carried over to the consumer somehow. But not a single manufacturer withheld the tech unless you paid for it.

This is really irrational. Why are you talking about Volvo when this is a part company? They make vests and don't make motorcycles and don't have a fleet of cars for testing and practical implementation for cost effective measure. I compare it to a premium sound system because it essentially has nothing to do with the design of the car for like 90+% product specification.

This kind of design was never part of any motorcycle on the market, partly because it's not part of the motorcycle.

I'm having trouble finding irony in the comparison still.

I compare it to Volvo because the simple fact irregardless of profit making they let other much much bigger industries take the invention.

Oh and a sound system means jackshit when it comes to safety.

Fine let's compare. Car or motorcycle means jackshit for safety. You want me to pay a month for a sound system? Sounds like XM Radio to me. I got the system in place but I need to pay into the subscription to keep it active? Yeah satellite radio!

Home heating has to do with safety to. It can be a pretty intrusive monthly cost. So my question is, why does what you're saying technically not apply to home gas heating?

It's a utility just like electricity. Also it may vary state to state but aren't there some laws or something about that with the Wellness Check police sometimes do. Especially if children are present.

It's tied to commercial processes just the same lol. Your principal argument was that it's like paying to use a seatbelt, but you don't care about the fact that we pay for vital components every day and are subject to financial burdens in order to satisfy them.

[McAvoy]

It's a safety feature. A big one at that. It would be no different if airbags were developed today and if you wanted them to work, you had to pay a subscription to work.

It's a product that has to be designed and invented, and it costs money for it to all come together. Are you aware of the commercial burden put in place and how that creates a complicated dynamic of supply availability? Also, of the fact that you can buy it for $800 for out of link usage, as noted by our trusty admin SFdebris.net, TGLS?

Volvo gave away the invention of seat belts for free and that was in the 50's. I think the air bag was developed around the same time. Both took time to be implemented. Once they were introduced, do you think the cars were more expensive than the ones without them?

My point while not exactly like what is happening here is that, it took money to develop the safety features of a car and perhaps it was carried over to the consumer somehow. But not a single manufacturer withheld the tech unless you paid for it.

This is really irrational. Why are you talking about Volvo when this is a part company? They make vests and don't make motorcycles and don't have a fleet of cars for testing and practical implementation for cost effective measure. I compare it to a premium sound system because it essentially has nothing to do with the design of the car for like 90+% product specification.

This kind of design was never part of any motorcycle on the market, partly because it's not part of the motorcycle.

I'm having trouble finding irony in the comparison still.

I compare it to Volvo because the simple fact irregardless of profit making they let other much much bigger industries take the invention.

Oh and a sound system means jackshit when it comes to safety.

Fine let's compare. Car or motorcycle means jackshit for safety. You want me to pay a month for a sound system? Sounds like XM Radio to me. I got the system in place but I need to pay into the subscription to keep it active? Yeah satellite radio!

Home heating has to do with safety to. It can be a pretty intrusive monthly cost. So my question is, why does what you're saying technically not apply to home gas heating?

It's a utility just like electricity. Also it may vary state to state but aren't there some laws or something about that with the Wellness Check police sometimes do. Especially if children are present.

It's tied to commercial processes just the same lol. Your principal argument was that it's like paying to use a seatbelt, but you don't care about the fact that we pay for vital components every day and are subject to financial burdens in order to satisfy them.

Huge difference in having to pay for a safety system that will literally saves lives to a sound system that is just a luxury. Or paying extra for HBO Max or Amazon Prime or paying money for games to get some unique thing for that game. Those are luxuries. You don't need to own a TV in the first place, you don't need to play that game. You don't even need a sound system for your car.

You don't need a car or a motorcycle either technically. But they are very dangerous machines and safety is a big deal. Not only to you, but others on the road too.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

That's non sequitur as far as the correspondence is concerned. This isn't a publicly mandated device. You're ignoring that distinction, for starters.

[McAvoy]

That's non sequitur as far as the correspondence is concerned. This isn't a publicly mandated device. You're ignoring that distinction, for starters.

First off I am not ignoring it. Not a hard concept. Pay for the device and pay a monthly fee to keep using it. Not a hard concept.

Not a hard concept to figure out that paying for a safety device to keep working but doesn't work if you don't pay monthly is just plain stupid.