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Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:44 pm
Indeed, if we had universal health care the situation here would be no worse than the UK's.
The NHS's central problem is that it is old - 1946 to be exact. It was designed for a fraction of the population that it caters for today and it was designed for a population that died a good thirty years younger. What once worked spectacularly well now huffs and puffs as it tries to keep up.
A health system designed for TODAY - which is what a USNHS would be - would not face many of the same institutional challenges.
I'm not throwing shade at the NHS. I'm just pointing out that universal health care would not necessarily have prevented this.
No but the disease might spread a little bit slower if Covid 19 tests were not restricted to the Pro Basketball, A-List Celebrity, and Horrible Goblin Senator class.
And we would have fewer folks being less afraid of contracting the Plague then going bankrupt to get treated for the Plague.
This is failure of American style crook capitalism when only those who have money for it get tested and treated while rest do not allowing Covid-19 keep spreading among populace. In other words rich keep getting richer while everyone else are left to spread virus and possibly die from it without opportunity to get help. This is were universal healthcare would had helped to slow spread.
Do I really need to point out that Covid 19 tests went to hospitals and, now, parking lots? And do I need to point out that countries with universal healthcare have often fared no better?
Your arguments are fine, except that they don't seem to apply to this reality.
I don't see where the concern is about the tests availability when there is generally no specific treatment for the virus in the first place. If you're particularly at risk, then yes obviously there is grounds for preferential treatment and I'm not sure how well that stands here or there.
CmdrKing wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:37 pmPelosi’s response to the pandemic so far does... not bear this conclusion out.
Most Democrats are not progressives, obviously. But they're open to be being seduced. Sanders just isn't very seductive.
Democrats have proven to be ideologically committed to means testing and my instinct is this, more than Sanders’ personal foibles, is the biggest reason they have rallied against him.
The LameStream Media is the dominant force in trying to get me to keep our Country closed as long as possible in the hope that it will be detrimental to my election success. The real people want to get back to work ASAP. We will be stronger than ever before!
Actual tweet made by Trump. He thinks that coronavirus is a conspiracy against him. Also, ''LameStream Media''.
CmdrKing wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:26 pmI see no strong evidence of this, at the party level. The voters of course like them fine.
Senior party members do tend to look at AOC as something of an upstart problem child, but she has lots of time to strengthen those bridges and, unlike Sanders, seems interested in doing so. But Warren? Warren is an absolute power-house within the party - well liked and well respected. And her behavior during this election is only going to enhance that reputation. If we didn't need her Senate seat she would be a shoe-in for VP.
Elizabeth Warren has always been establishment I thought. The only difference between her and conventional Democrats is that she had a conversation about every issue on the blue chart. You typically see other Democrats have more of a main horse to run on.
clearspira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:10 pmThe LameStream Media is the dominant force in trying to get me to keep our Country closed as long as possible in the hope that it will be detrimental to my election success. The real people want to get back to work ASAP. We will be stronger than ever before!
Actual tweet made by Trump. He thinks that coronavirus is a conspiracy against him. Also, ''LameStream Media''.
No, he thinks the media is trying to keep the economic shutdown going on as long as possible. He does not say that coronavirus is a conspiracy in any sense.
clearspira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:10 pmThe LameStream Media is the dominant force in trying to get me to keep our Country closed as long as possible in the hope that it will be detrimental to my election success. The real people want to get back to work ASAP. We will be stronger than ever before!
Actual tweet made by Trump. He thinks that coronavirus is a conspiracy against him. Also, ''LameStream Media''.
No, he thinks the media is trying to keep the economic shutdown going on as long as possible. He does not say that coronavirus is a conspiracy in any sense.
No, he thinks the media is trying to keep the economic shutdown going on as long as possible in the hope that it will be detrimental to his election success.
clearspira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:10 pmThe LameStream Media is the dominant force in trying to get me to keep our Country closed as long as possible in the hope that it will be detrimental to my election success. The real people want to get back to work ASAP. We will be stronger than ever before!
Actual tweet made by Trump. He thinks that coronavirus is a conspiracy against him. Also, ''LameStream Media''.
No, he thinks the media is trying to keep the economic shutdown going on as long as possible. He does not say that coronavirus is a conspiracy in any sense.
No, he thinks the media is trying to keep the economic shutdown going on as long as possible in the hope that it will be detrimental to his election success.
That is a conspiracy.
I think it's only a conspiracy if they do it with intentional communication of some sort. Herd behavior would be a little different.
