Remember how the Mainstream Media said they won't be coming for Jefferson and Washington Next?

[Dragon Ball Fan]

Just because something is a construct, that doesn't mean it's not real or that it doesn't affect people. Saying "I don't see color" is just sticking your fingers in your ear saying "lah lah lah lah I don't hear you!".

no it works the best because I think everyone should see it that way on both sides..

it seems the best way to look at things to me.

It seems best to you because it allows you to feel comfortable about yourself and conveniently ignore large-scale injustice.

again, I hate bigotry too and make fun of those who openly show it, I have a few videos doing that liked on YouTube but I just don't like the extremists on the left, like for example, the #KillAllMen type of feminist. I respect people like Hannah and Jake from the YouTube channel formerly known as The Bible Reloaded but my big problem is that most of this bad stuff I hear about race relations and all that come from third hand sources.

and I still say generalizing all white people and/or cops is just as bad as racism. and don't give me anything about power dynamics, I have a therapist who I see semi regularly and someone who is helping me search for a job because I am special needs, both of them are people of color and THEY have power over ME.

[GreyICE]

and I still say generalizing all white people and/or cops is just as bad as racism. and don't give me anything about power dynamics, I have a therapist who I see semi regularly and someone who is helping me search for a job because I am special needs, both of them are people of color and THEY have power over ME.

For fucks sake man, a cop could shoot you and probably get off with a suspension, at most a firing. You shoot a cop, life in prison. A cop can plant evidence on you and arrest you, a cop can literally tell a judge they saw you do something and their word is all the evidence needed for a conviction. A cop can walk up to you, arrest you, and charge you with resisting arrest - again, their word is the only evidence needed. A cop can drive up friday afternoon, toss you in the back of the cop car, and let you out Monday morning, no charges, no reason. A cop can toss you in the back of a metal van handcuffed, drive you around, and if you hit your head and die, oh well. That's perfectly legal.

A cop very literally has a vast amount of power over the average person, simply by nature of their position. I honestly can't tell if you don't grasp this because of your disability, or simply refuse to grasp this out of sheer stubborn stupidity.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

and I still say generalizing all white people and/or cops is just as bad as racism. and don't give me anything about power dynamics, I have a therapist who I see semi regularly and someone who is helping me search for a job because I am special needs, both of them are people of color and THEY have power over ME.

For fucks sake man, a cop could shoot you and probably get off with a suspension, at most a firing. You shoot a cop, life in prison. A cop can plant evidence on you and arrest you, a cop can literally tell a judge they saw you do something and their word is all the evidence needed for a conviction. A cop can walk up to you, arrest you, and charge you with resisting arrest - again, their word is the only evidence needed. A cop can drive up friday afternoon, toss you in the back of the cop car, and let you out Monday morning, no charges, no reason. A cop can toss you in the back of a metal van handcuffed, drive you around, and if you hit your head and die, oh well. That's perfectly legal.

A cop very literally has a vast amount of power over the average person, simply by nature of their position. I honestly can't tell if you don't grasp this because of your disability, or simply refuse to grasp this out of sheer stubborn stupidity.

that wasn't the point of what I was saying but if I, a white guy, can have that happen to me, why are we acting like this is an exclusively black people problem?

[GreyICE]

that wasn't the point of what I was saying but if I, a white guy, can have that happen to me, why are we acting like this is an exclusively black people problem?

No one said it was exclusively a black problem? It happens to black people a lot more frequently, but it can also happen to white people.

As far as I can tell, you're simply refusing to believe statistics and facts, and if that's the case I don't have anything to say except "come back to reality."

[GreyICE]

Speaking of monuments, Trump is using them as an excuse to deploy Federal Officers, most of whom are pretty militarized, and who do not answer to local authorities. They've already fractured a person's skull with a gunshot, a person who was literally taking no violent actions.

https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-officers-portland-protester-shot-less-lethal-munitions/



I expect that the usual suspects who are horrified over the statues being toppled, will have nothing to say about this except "oh dear, it's a shame." How does that boot leather taste, you inbred shits?

[Dragon Ball Fan]

that wasn't the point of what I was saying but if I, a white guy, can have that happen to me, why are we acting like this is an exclusively black people problem?

No one said it was exclusively a black problem? It happens to black people a lot more frequently, but it can also happen to white people.

As far as I can tell, you're simply refusing to believe statistics and facts, and if that's the case I don't have anything to say except "come back to reality."

they give lip service to it happening to white people too but they give off the impression that it just happens to black people.

and again, my problem is that I can't entirely trust anything about how bad it is because it's second or third hand information. and my conversation with an actual person of color, wile expressing his feelings of being oppressed, did mention he had had good interactions with white people and cops.

and again, why would my mom say her family members who are cops are all good if they weren't? she's know the moral character of her own family.

[GreyICE]

they give lip service to it happening to white people too but they give off the impression that it just happens to black people.

and again, my problem is that I can't entirely trust anything about how bad it is because it's second or third hand information.

In a 2017 study3, for example, Nix determined that black people fatally shot by the police were twice as likely as white people to be unarmed. Those findings align with many studies published since 2015 suggesting that racial biases do influence police shootings.

Data from California show that police stopped and used force against Black people disproportionately, compared with other racial groups, in 2018 (see go.nature.com/2bgfrah). A December 2019 paper reported that bias in police administrative records results in many studies underestimating levels of racial bias in policing, or even masking discrimination entirely3.

Based on information from more than two million 911 calls in two US cities, he concluded that white officers dispatched to Black neighbourhoods fired their guns five times as often as Black officers dispatched for similar calls to the same neighbourhoods4

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02601-9
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

[Dragon Ball Fan]

they give lip service to it happening to white people too but they give off the impression that it just happens to black people.

and again, my problem is that I can't entirely trust anything about how bad it is because it's second or third hand information.

In a 2017 study3, for example, Nix determined that black people fatally shot by the police were twice as likely as white people to be unarmed. Those findings align with many studies published since 2015 suggesting that racial biases do influence police shootings.

Data from California show that police stopped and used force against Black people disproportionately, compared with other racial groups, in 2018 (see go.nature.com/2bgfrah). A December 2019 paper reported that bias in police administrative records results in many studies underestimating levels of racial bias in policing, or even masking discrimination entirely3.

Based on information from more than two million 911 calls in two US cities, he concluded that white officers dispatched to Black neighbourhoods fired their guns five times as often as Black officers dispatched for similar calls to the same neighbourhoods4

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02601-9
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

you didn't reply to everything I said, like you accused me of.

and that thing you posted did say the number of police shootings did vary. and were any of them cases of justified homicide? I seriously doubt absolutely non of them were.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

You don't believe that police unions are corrupt and that police have largely unaccountable power of life and death and get away with murder because you don't want to live in a world where that is true. It's as simple as that. You're afraid and no amount of reliable sources will change that.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

You don't believe that police unions are corrupt and that police have largely unaccountable power of life and death and get away with murder because you don't want to live in a world where that is true. It's as simple as that. You're afraid and no amount of reliable sources will change that.

all this stuff is second or third hand information, not saying these things aren't happening at all but it's still not information coming directly from the actual people involved.

and again, I had a conversation with an actual person of color who sort of contradicts the All Cops are Bastards attitude.