The great 2020 election thread....

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Re: The great 2020 election thread....

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I think we have to be careful about treating the U.S. as a homogeneous state, let alone jumping to compare it to other countries.

New York accounts for about two-fifths of American cases and deaths. At this point, the numbers of New York look comparable to what we've seen in the worst-hit European countries (Italy, Spain), while the numbers in other states look like less affected countries.

It's possible that New York is just "further along" on what will ultimately be very similar trajectories in other states, but there's also still hope that that will not be the case. Most of the earliest cases were coming from California and Washington, but they just haven't taken off like New York did.

So yeah, I would be very hesitant to reach grand political conclusions based on what we've seen so far.
Darth Wedgius wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:01 pm Yes, but my point was that spreading involves a lot of random factors as well, does it not?
South Korea is a case in point. They've been widely regarded as having the best/one of the best responses to an outbreak of the virus, and their numbers are looked at as a sort of best case scenario by a lot of countries. But what a lot of people ignore is that a huge percentage of the initial outbreak could be traced back to a specific religious group (something like three-fifths of the 3,500 cases), with the patient zero there being identified. That's a vastly different circumstance than a bunch of unidentified, asymptomatic people riding back and forth on subways, going to theaters, shopping, etc. I don't disagree that South Korea did a great job, but that's the kind of random luck that you just can't account for.
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South Korea developed testing right away. In California, my first policies for work concerning the virus was "if you have symptoms then just stay home" which is not the most effective of strategies. When you have the means of testing everybody then you can severely limit the spread of the virus when you know if each and every person is positive or not and you can field the virus more directly.
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Darth Wedgius wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:41 am
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:30 am
Darth Wedgius wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:07 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:45 am
Darth Wedgius wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:16 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:27 am
Darth Wedgius wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:30 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:17 am
Darth Wedgius wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:51 pm
clearspira wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:46 pm
Darth Wedgius wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:44 pm Indeed, if we had universal health care the situation here would be no worse than the UK's.
The NHS's central problem is that it is old - 1946 to be exact. It was designed for a fraction of the population that it caters for today and it was designed for a population that died a good thirty years younger. What once worked spectacularly well now huffs and puffs as it tries to keep up.

A health system designed for TODAY - which is what a USNHS would be - would not face many of the same institutional challenges.
I'm not throwing shade at the NHS. I'm just pointing out that universal health care would not necessarily have prevented this.
No but the disease might spread a little bit slower if Covid 19 tests were not restricted to the Pro Basketball, A-List Celebrity, and Horrible Goblin Senator class.
Covid 19 tests are not restricted to the pro basketball A-list celebrity, and horrible goblin senator class, are they?
In practice, yes they are, you willfully dense being capable of enlightenment. Hard-hit cities are begging people not to get tested. People who have all the symptoms struggle to get tested, but some congressmen or prominent actor can just get tested with a snap of their fingers after showing 0 symptoms. Unless you recently were on vacation somewhere with cases or have a family member who tested positive, it's as easy to get a test as a mink coat or gold-plated toilet.

Right now, the best and most effective way for a working Joe to find out if they have Corona Virus is to cough in a rich person's face and look up that bastard's test results in the news, you frustrating fellow sapient being who consistently falls short of the moral and intellectual standards I know you are capable of.
There are literally drive-through testing centers. What planet are you on? Can you still receive radio signals from earth?
THere are? Where?

Imma be frank with you, I honestly thought that drive-through testing centers was limited to civilized nations, like South Korea.
Circumstances like this point out where research can come in handy.
Look, I haven't written a five-paragraph essay about this pandemic, but I'm doing a pretty good job of following news on current events from multiple sources and everything I've seen has been talking as if drive-through testing is a thing that happens in South Korea and not the U S of A, so you can either drop a source to back up the assertion and provide useful information to those who might need it or drop the smugness.
That's weird. I googles "us drive through testing" and found results pretty quickly. Did you try that?

Here's one:

https://www.businessinsider.com/drive-through-coronavirus-tests-states-2020-3

However, it's probably better for people to look this data up for themselves as the situation may change day by day.
Thank you for the information.
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Goldberg Vs Sanders was live on PPV last night at like $80 a ticket.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/490678-whoopi-goldberg-presses-sanders-why-are-you-still-in-the-race
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"Stop trying to make Medicare for All a thing during a pandemic severely exacerbated by the lack of affordable health care, Sanders!"

Gotta say I REALLY hope we can get more vote-by-mail and delayed voting in place so we don't have plague polls. Those touchscreens are essentially plague nurseries.
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No they are not. Recent studies suggest, that you basically need someone to spit or sneeze onto you, to get infected. So, if everyone just cleans their hands before touching stuff (and doesn't rub their nose and mouth between cleaning and touching the screens), things should be just fine.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:06 pm "Stop trying to make Medicare for All a thing during a pandemic severely exacerbated by the lack of affordable health care, Sanders!"
She's asking him why he's still running, not why he's campaigning for universal healthcare. She said that his bill for healthcare is great.
Madner Kami wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:40 pmSo, if everyone
Kinda the concern there.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:52 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:06 pm "Stop trying to make Medicare for All a thing during a pandemic severely exacerbated by the lack of affordable health care, Sanders!"
She's asking him why he's still running, not why he's campaigning for universal healthcare. She said that his bill for healthcare is great.
Which seems like a self-answering question really: the party is still ideologically dedicated to means testing and opposed to universal programs. Until that stops being true, millions are being abandoned by the party. Seeing your politicians abandon you is not terribly motivating for the electorate, so the longer Sanders is in not doing that and pushing the party to stop doing that, the better for the party.
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CmdrKing wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:58 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:52 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:06 pm "Stop trying to make Medicare for All a thing during a pandemic severely exacerbated by the lack of affordable health care, Sanders!"
She's asking him why he's still running, not why he's campaigning for universal healthcare. She said that his bill for healthcare is great.
Which seems like a self-answering question really: the party is still ideologically dedicated to means testing and opposed to universal programs. Until that stops being true, millions are being abandoned by the party. Seeing your politicians abandon you is not terribly motivating for the electorate, so the longer Sanders is in not doing that and pushing the party to stop doing that, the better for the party.
I don't think the message is really lost upon Whoopie there. Considering the measure of responses to this kind of question, the matter of him still running takes the semblance of a protest. Obviously any politician should brush this establishmentized criticism off their shoulder in fashion, and this qualifies. I don't think he's effectively disrupting anything at this point, 300 points is probably not a reason to drop out, but it comes off to me as dodgy communication.
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Madner Kami wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:40 pm No they are not. Recent studies suggest, that you basically need someone to spit or sneeze onto you, to get infected. So, if everyone just cleans their hands before touching stuff (and doesn't rub their nose and mouth between cleaning and touching the screens), things should be just fine.
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