Freedom of speech officially dead in Scotland

[Darth Wedgius]

Tell me how people have Antifa killed again? how many buildings have they blown up? Compare that with how many buildings Neo-Nazis have blown how many people Neo-Nazis have killed and then get back to me.

If violence were limited to just those categories you've chosen, then you would have a point. It isn't, and you don't.

[Antiboyscout]

No Freedom of Speech is being abused, it's being used as a cover to normalise hate speech, the post-war consensus that we all grew up with that fascism should not to be tolerated and should be fought against is being ignored, it's now considered bad to stand up to these bastards, that somehow objecting to hate speech means your a fascist and you call me a fascist? When your're happy to turn a blind eye to what these fuckers represent, when you're happy to let them get away with murder.

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson

You aren't fighting, you're oppressing. You aren't arguing, you're silencing. You aren't proving fascist ideas wrong, you're proving you're afraid of them. Words are not actions and hate speech is free speech. You don't believe in freedom, you simply believe that your oppression is morally justified.

You mention the post war consensus on fascism but you neglect the same one on communism. Marx, Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, and Che. These men are venerated and crimes apologized by communist followers. Millions dead including out and out genocides. But red flags and hammers with sickles are allowed. Communist theory is taught in schools.

[Admiral X]

No Freedom of Speech is being abused, it's being used as a cover to normalise hate speech, the post-war consensus that we all grew up with that fascism should not to be tolerated and should be fought against is being ignored, it's now considered bad to stand up to these bastards, that somehow objecting to hate speech means your a fascist and you call me a fascist? When your're happy to turn a blind eye to what these fuckers represent, when you're happy to let them get away with murder.

Funny thing happened when I googled antifa arson, all the sources I found happened to be alt-right, now isn't that funny.

:shrug: "Hate speech" is free speech or there is no such thing as free speech. Not sure why you seem to have such a hard time with that. The reason antifa is a terrorist group is because they use fear to push their political agenda. I couldn't tell you if they've managed to kill anyone yet, but they've sure hurt a lot of people and done plenty of property damage.

Is the LA Times "alt-right"?

Of course for a group that claims to be "anti-fascist," they certainly act a lot like fascists, and even dress like them, too. After all, the Italian fascists were famous for wearing black, as was a German group I'm sure no one has heard of called the SS.

Oh, and on the subject of how the actual Nazis reacted to a man teaching his dog to give the Nazi salute.

[Karha of Honor]

Tell me how people have Antifa killed again? how many buildings have they blown up? Compare that with how many buildings Neo-Nazis have blown how many people Neo-Nazis have killed and then get back to me.

Would you wait for someone to die or you think the police should use their gang task force to arrest gang members for illegal firearms possession if they can?

Do you always resort to strawmen?

You do know there is more to law enforcement work than catching guys right after killed someone?

[unknownsample]

Yes here is the Charlottesvile Police Department arresting a man for assault

https://www.twincities.com/2018/03/16/b ... emacist-2/

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. – A black man brutally beaten at last year’s “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville – and who was later charged with assaulting a white nationalist – was acquitted Friday.

DeAndre Harris, 20, a former special education instructional assistant, was found not guilty by Charlottesville General District Judge Robert Downer Jr. on a misdemeanor charge of assault and battery against Harold Crews, a North Carolina attorney and state chairman of the self-described white nationalist group League of the South. If Harris had been convicted, he would have faced up to 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine.

The acquittal is a relief for Harris, who was viciously beaten inside a parking garage next to the city’s police department on Aug. 12, 2017. He suffered a spinal injury and head lacerations that required 10 stitches.

Curiously they didn't get round to arresting his attackers, in fact during that day they went out of their way to not intervene especially where the white supremacists were concerned.

[Admiral X]

youtu.be/8xGekzN6EuM

[Antiboyscout]

Hate speech is the only form of speech that requires protection.
If you say nothing that offends, then no one will call for your censor.

[Darth Wedgius]

No Freedom of Speech is being abused, it's being used as a cover to normalise hate speech, the post-war consensus that we all grew up with that fascism should not to be tolerated and should be fought against is being ignored, it's now considered bad to stand up to these bastards, that somehow objecting to hate speech means your a fascist and you call me a fascist? When your're happy to turn a blind eye to what these fuckers represent, when you're happy to let them get away with murder.

Nobody is saying that you can't fight fascists, and nobody is saying that you cannot object to hate speech. But that can (and, IMO, should) be done without making that speech illegal.

I oppose fascism mostly because it's authoritarian (fascism doesn't have to be racist, and racism doesn't have to be fascist). Of course when I say "fascist," I don't mean, "Held an affirmative action bake sale." I mean, fascist: dictatorial power, complete government control of industry and commerce, and forcible suppression of the opposition. I oppose this kind of restriction on speech for the same reason.

I also see no indications that Count Dankula is a fascist. Among the tactics the Nazis used to take power, I don't think you'll find "stupid pet tricks."

[Antiboyscout]

BBC: "Nazi Germany pursued 'Hitler salute' Finnish dog"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-12139150

[Admiral X]

Yeah, I posted that a while back, actually. Irony is that the Nazis actually let this guy go.