Coronavirus - the new pandemic

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Madner Kami wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:17 pm
Darth Wedgius wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:11 pmAFAIK even the age brackets this hits hardest usually survive this, fortunately.
I get the feeling that what I recieve you saying, is not what you actually want to send. Let me hint you at the age statistics of the corona-related deaths in New York:

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Oh, older people make up the largest group of deaths, but that's not the same as saying that older people usually die from it. If the fatality rate for people over 70 was 20%, with other decades (0-9, 10-19, 20-29, etc.) each getting 11%, the 70+s would get the highest number of fatalities but most of the people in that age bracket catching it would still survive.

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Madner Kami wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:17 pm Also, it has been rumored for a while, but doctors actually have acknowledged now, that a notable amount of recovered patients which only had mild symptoms ended up with serverly damaged lung-tissue, which is unlikely to recover. A particular case is a group of ~40 year old hobby divers, who had no known pre-conditions and barely had trouble due to Corona (they were so ok that they were only quarantined at home on a voluntary basis). Doctors are shocked about their lung-CTs and don't expect a recovery, leaving them unable to ever again do their sport. (Can't provide a source, as it's only in German.)
That I'd heard about, but I don't have any statistics on how often it happens. :(
Madner Kami wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:17 pm Along the way, ending up on a ventilator seems to be a primer for your soon-to-be-death, regardless of everything else. Doctors from a clinic in Innsbruck (Germany) reported, that patients that only recieved a good dose of oxygen to help them (via mask only), completely unexpectedly had to be intubated and hooked to a breathing maching in intensive care just mere hours later, because of a severe cessation of lung-function. (Same source)
For that, I generally have to agree. :(

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/mortality-rate-of-covid-19-patients-on-ventilators/

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-ventilators-some-doctors-try-reduce-use-new-york-death-rate-2020-4
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At least I see clearspira still signs in regularly. That is a hopeful sign.
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Darth Wedgius wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:58 pm Oh, older people make up the largest group of deaths, but that's not the same as saying that older people usually die from it. If the fatality rate for people over 70 was 20%, with other decades (0-9, 10-19, 20-29, etc.) each getting 11%, the 70+s would get the highest number of fatalities but most of the people in that age bracket catching it would still survive.
True, but (world-wide afaik):

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Italy:

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Not exactly rosy chances for the elderly.
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Madner Kami wrote: Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:54 am
Darth Wedgius wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:58 pm Oh, older people make up the largest group of deaths, but that's not the same as saying that older people usually die from it. If the fatality rate for people over 70 was 20%, with other decades (0-9, 10-19, 20-29, etc.) each getting 11%, the 70+s would get the highest number of fatalities but most of the people in that age bracket catching it would still survive.
True, but (world-wide afaik):

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Italy:

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Not exactly rosy chances for the elderly.
I completely agree. I think we're on the same page.
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A reminder that if you'll continue to be paying off loans during this temporary forbearance period then you should target your general funds towards the one with the highest interest rate.
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You know what else helps during a pandemic? Federal government not actively sabotaging state efforts to get medical equipment.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2010025
The chief executive of a MA hospital, outbid for PPE by the feds multiple times, cut a deal, paid extra, hired the trucks — and then was interrogated by the FBI and had to get his Congressperson to intervene to keep DHS from heisting the shipment.

Apropos of absolutely nothing, I wonder if MA is a state that voted for 45 and if their governor gave him the praise he desires.
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Well... that was unpleasant.

I lost just over half a stone of body weight in a week, I can't taste or smell a bloody thing, my lung capacity is shot and I have just spent a week on my back. But the cough and temp is gone.

I have to say, I am relatively young and relatively healthy as I work a physical job. And this bug kicked my ass. I can see how it would kill the old and unhealthy. Those of you expecting to greet something akin to the common cold are going to be surprised.
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clearspira wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:41 am Well... that was unpleasant.

I lost just over half a stone of body weight in a week, I can't taste or smell a bloody thing, my lung capacity is shot and I have just spent a week on my back. But the cough and temp is gone.

I have to say, I am relatively young and relatively healthy as I work a physical job. And this bug kicked my ass. I can see how it would kill the old and unhealthy. Those of you expecting to greet something akin to the common cold are going to be surprised.
You're the first person I know that's had it.

I have to ask, are you tempted to start a Youtube prank channel now that you're over the hill with the virus?
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clearspira wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:41 am Well... that was unpleasant.

I lost just over half a stone of body weight in a week, I can't taste or smell a bloody thing, my lung capacity is shot and I have just spent a week on my back. But the cough and temp is gone.

I have to say, I am relatively young and relatively healthy as I work a physical job. And this bug kicked my ass. I can see how it would kill the old and unhealthy. Those of you expecting to greet something akin to the common cold are going to be surprised.
Hi! It's good to see you're doing okay. I was worried. That said, my family are taking steps to avoid the bug. Don't worry about us. That just leaves one friend unaccounted for. And sadly he is over in New Jersey...
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clearspira wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:41 am Well... that was unpleasant.

I lost just over half a stone of body weight in a week, I can't taste or smell a bloody thing, my lung capacity is shot and I have just spent a week on my back. But the cough and temp is gone.

I have to say, I am relatively young and relatively healthy as I work a physical job. And this bug kicked my ass. I can see how it would kill the old and unhealthy. Those of you expecting to greet something akin to the common cold are going to be surprised.
Good to hear you're recovering. And also, good to know just how much of a punch to the ribs this thing can be.
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