The great 2020 election thread....

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

ProfessorDetective, I'm tempted to say something addressing voting problems in and of themselves, like making universal vote by mail or ranked voting or automatic registration, so we could lay the ground for real headway and long-term gains to tame the monstrous gerrymander. That said, a more realistic approach would probably be universal single-payer healthcare under the "strike while the iron is hot" principle. Never going to be a better time to push that than in the wake of a devastating pandemic.

[GreyICE]

Joe Biden represents a return to 2015. 2015 was the time things got so bad that Trump was nominated, then elected. A vote for Joe Biden is a vote for repairing the situation so shoddily it just falls apart again.

Trump represents a return to 1939. A vote for Trump represents a vote for a brick through the window. People who could have lived will die if he wins, same as happened when he won in 2016. Don't assume it's the people you want him to murder.

It's like no one can admit shit is broken, except the party full of people whose solution is "if it's broken smash it to pieces and don't suggest a replacement." I'm just waiting for Republicans to start walking around naked because their clothes were developing holes and they burned all ofthem.

A temp solution is better than none. Let's stop the bleeding first, then we can figure out how to get the wounds stitched up.

I'll hold my nose and vote for the right rapist.

But this officially marks the point where I would be more comfortable not being a part of the United States.

[Captain Crimson]

Joe Biden represents a return to 2015. 2015 was the time things got so bad that Trump was nominated, then elected. A vote for Joe Biden is a vote for repairing the situation so shoddily it just falls apart again.

Trump represents a return to 1939. A vote for Trump represents a vote for a brick through the window. People who could have lived will die if he wins, same as happened when he won in 2016. Don't assume it's the people you want him to murder.

It's like no one can admit shit is broken, except the party full of people whose solution is "if it's broken smash it to pieces and don't suggest a replacement." I'm just waiting for Republicans to start walking around naked because their clothes were developing holes and they burned all ofthem.

A temp solution is better than none. Let's stop the bleeding first, then we can figure out how to get the wounds stitched up.

I'll hold my nose and vote for the right rapist.

But this officially marks the point where I would be more comfortable not being a part of the United States.

If it wasn't for my mom, I wouldn't do this. At all. In fact, it probably wouldn't take much to get me to just abandon voting in November altogether. I've never wanted to vote, because it's like others noted. It accomplishes little in the long-term. It's always a short-term fix. Will voting in Mr. Biden really stop the metaphorical bleeding? Will it? I truly can't think it will. I mean, to go further with the analogy, in my mind it would be like, if you'd stopped the bleeding, but the patient is just too far gone to save. Is that the way our society is RN? At what point do you have to just admit you're wasting your time?

[GreyICE]

Buy a gun. One thing the right wing realized correctly is that guns provide long-term fixes.

Some point soon it's gonna come to that.

[Captain Crimson]

Buy a gun. One thing the right wing realized correctly is that guns provide long-term fixes.

Some point soon it's gonna come to that.

I mean, my state has concealed-carry, but even then, I have no urge to buy a gun. I mean, while I'm not an especially religious person, I can respect bible scripture that talks about how one hath no greater a love for his fellow man, his brother, than to lay down his life for him. And Jesus's quotes that those that live by the sword, also die by that same sword. I would prefer to die for my principles, within reason. A rat lives in all of us, but I just don't think more guns solves the problem. You're talking about armed revolution.

Have we really fallen that far in so short a length of time? That... now we're arming up and just being consumed by paranoia, expecting enemies around every corner? These people are not the Nazis or the Soviets. They're just people, like us. At what point, do you sacrifice your principles and some cherished illusions for the sake of something really important which contributes to the greater good? I won't buy a gun unless the US fell into full-blown anarchy or an enemy was storming all our shores. I will stick to my hopes for humanity. We have a divine future waiting for us if we can just see it through to the end.

[Captain Crimson]

Sorry for double posting, but I'd like something to lighten the mood a bit.

See, I'm a huge fan of political cartoons that are done in good fun, those that don't have a selective bias, and when they are equal-opportunity mockery, it's honey-gold.

So, here ya go.



Hope this helped.

[ProfessorDetective]

ProfessorDetective, I'm tempted to say something addressing voting problems in and of themselves, like making universal vote by mail or ranked voting or automatic registration, so we could lay the ground for real headway and long-term gains to tame the monstrous gerrymander. That said, a more realistic approach would probably be universal single-payer healthcare under the "strike while the iron is hot" principle. Never going to be a better time to push that than in the wake of a devastating pandemic.

Oh, yeah, and straightening out the biases and flaws in the electoral process. Forgot about that one. THAT's the first one.

And yeah, I agree, do Healthcare first, it's on everyone's mind already.

[Darth Wedgius]

Buy a gun. One thing the right wing realized correctly is that guns provide long-term fixes.

Some point soon it's gonna come to that.

I mean, my state has concealed-carry, but even then, I have no urge to buy a gun. I mean, while I'm not an especially religious person, I can respect bible scripture that talks about how one hath no greater a love for his fellow man, his brother, than to lay down his life for him. And Jesus's quotes that those that live by the sword, also die by that same sword. I would prefer to die for my principles, within reason. A rat lives in all of us, but I just don't think more guns solves the problem. You're talking about armed revolution.

Have we really fallen that far in so short a length of time? That... now we're arming up and just being consumed by paranoia, expecting enemies around every corner? These people are not the Nazis or the Soviets. They're just people, like us. At what point, do you sacrifice your principles and some cherished illusions for the sake of something really important which contributes to the greater good? I won't buy a gun unless the US fell into full-blown anarchy or an enemy was storming all our shores. I will stick to my hopes for humanity. We have a divine future waiting for us if we can just see it through to the end.

I don't think it's that bad yet, but it may get that bad. There are those on the left who will use violence to suppress speech they don't approve of. That's not acceptable.

Undoubtedly there are people on the right who will use violence to suppress fundamental rights as well. They seem less organized, but more lethal. That's not acceptable, either.

IMHO, those aren't people like us, and if everyone in Antifa or the Klan dropped dead tomorrow, I wouldn't really mourn. I wouldn't push the button that killed either group, however.

But I suspect that some in the forum would.

[Captain Crimson]

Buy a gun. One thing the right wing realized correctly is that guns provide long-term fixes.

Some point soon it's gonna come to that.

I mean, my state has concealed-carry, but even then, I have no urge to buy a gun. I mean, while I'm not an especially religious person, I can respect bible scripture that talks about how one hath no greater a love for his fellow man, his brother, than to lay down his life for him. And Jesus's quotes that those that live by the sword, also die by that same sword. I would prefer to die for my principles, within reason. A rat lives in all of us, but I just don't think more guns solves the problem. You're talking about armed revolution.

Have we really fallen that far in so short a length of time? That... now we're arming up and just being consumed by paranoia, expecting enemies around every corner? These people are not the Nazis or the Soviets. They're just people, like us. At what point, do you sacrifice your principles and some cherished illusions for the sake of something really important which contributes to the greater good? I won't buy a gun unless the US fell into full-blown anarchy or an enemy was storming all our shores. I will stick to my hopes for humanity. We have a divine future waiting for us if we can just see it through to the end.

I don't think it's that bad yet, but it may get that bad. There are those on the left who will use violence to suppress speech they don't approve of. That's not acceptable.

Undoubtedly there are people on the right who will use violence to suppress fundamental rights as well. They seem less organized, but more lethal. That's not acceptable, either.

IMHO, those aren't people like us, and if everyone in Antifa or the Klan dropped dead tomorrow, I wouldn't really mourn. I wouldn't push the button that killed either group, however.

But I suspect that some in the forum would.

I doubt it is either, but we got some very damned, pardon my swearing here, okay? Irresponsible leaders who are encouraging this splinter groups popping up. I'll simultaneously say Black Lives Matter right alongside All Lives Matter, because I don't see a contradiction inherent. And I'll add White Lives Matter as well. I saw one embarrassing hashtag that said #OnlyWhiteLivesMatter and my jaw dropped. Even if it's trolling, the H is wrong with you?

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ProfessorDetective, I'm tempted to say something addressing voting problems in and of themselves, like making universal vote by mail or ranked voting or automatic registration, so we could lay the ground for real headway and long-term gains to tame the monstrous gerrymander. That said, a more realistic approach would probably be universal single-payer healthcare under the "strike while the iron is hot" principle. Never going to be a better time to push that than in the wake of a devastating pandemic.

Oh, yeah, and straightening out the biases and flaws in the electoral process. Forgot about that one. THAT's the first one.

And yeah, I agree, do Healthcare first, it's on everyone's mind already.

I would contend this. It's on everyone's minds only in the sense that everyone is scared about COVID-19. Once the threat has seemingly dissipated, that will change. I mean, people like Mr. Sanders have harped so endlessly on healthcare, made it their point of no compromise upon many occasions, that I frankly feel tired with it. People do deserve healthcare, but it's also tone-deaf in the sense where he praised Cuba for having excellent healthcare. Healthcare is not the only thing going on in this country or worldwide.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

The contradiction is that nobody started saying "All Lives Matter" until people were saying "Black Lives Matter", and "All Lives Matter" is spouted as a catchphrase soley to shut down people saying "black lives matter".

Anyway, if somebody said "All Lives Matter", I guarantee you the later ended up protesting for their right to risk their life and the life of everyone around them by getting a haircut and eating mediocre burgers with cheap cocktails at Aplebees.