Police: please don’t sell milkshakes to anti-fascists

[Yukaphile]

Yeah, center left and proud of it. My Socialist friend in Peru, again, is the kind who thinks being in the center is selling out the workers. Not speaking ill of him, btw. He's my best friend. But he is that hard-left type.

[Antiboyscout]

90% of the right doesn't know anything about the left.

haidt: conservatives understand liberals better than liberals understand conservatives

https://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-pa ... ervatives/

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

90% of the right doesn't know anything about the left.

haidt: conservatives understand liberals better than liberals understand conservatives

https://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-pa ... ervatives/

Sorry. I'm not talking about understanding people, though I was talking about people on the right.

[Antiboyscout]

90% of the right doesn't know anything about the left.

haidt: conservatives understand liberals better than liberals understand conservatives

https://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-pa ... ervatives/

Sorry. I'm not talking about understanding people, though I was talking about people on the right.

what are you taking about? Please read the excerpt

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

90% of the right doesn't know anything about the left.

haidt: conservatives understand liberals better than liberals understand conservatives

https://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-pa ... ervatives/

Sorry. I'm not talking about understanding people, though I was talking about people on the right.

what are you taking about? Please read the excerpt

Really no need. You or someone has brought this up before

"Haidt describes a study in which he examines how well liberals, conservatives, and moderates understand each other."

That's a fun analysis and I don't necessarily disagree with it (edit: I actually do agree to it to a considerable extent), but it doesn't really have too much to do with the politics of either side.

[Darth Wedgius]

Not really. I consider a pie to the face another form of free speech, as long as it's not loaded with something the recipient of the pie-ing is allergic to.

All right, I'll take you at your word on this. You've earned that. I assume you'd disagree with Cmd King's term "violent rhetoric," but I won't press you on it. And there are dictionary definitions I'd disagree with, so fair enough. This is something we'll just never agree on.

[Darth Wedgius]

How is trying to suppress speech you don't approve of not authoritarian? I mean if it's someone's social security number or yelling fire in a crowded theater, sure, but "Control immigration?" That's political speech someone doesn't like the sound of, and they want it stopped.

Ah, yes, "Control Immigration". As seen here. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... referendum
Or Here. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... f-migrants

"Well that's just speech!"
Yup. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... cox-murder
Such 'speech': "It also noted a spike in hate crime around the time of the EU referendum."
Very 'just': "Most religious hate crime - 52% of all offences - was aimed at Muslims."

See, this is how fascism works. Find a wide societal problem. Perhaps wealth inequality. Find a convenient group people already mistrust, like immigrants (particularly Muslim immigrants). Say they stole all the jobs! These peaceniks in Labor are letting them all in! They're here to rape your children!
And say it as often and as loud as you can, and eventually... jackpot. You found right alchemy of hate, willingness to say damn the consequences, and probably untreated mental condition to do the dirty work.
Get enough of those, and you create a climate of terror. The entire majority group becomes Schrodinger's "Lone Wolf Terrorist". Any white dude could be the unstable dude who pulls a knife on you. So you withdraw, stop advocating, flee.
Violent rhetoric begets violent lashing out, oppressing minority populations.

Just. As. Planned.

Meanwhile, the fascistic grifter is so dependent on his image as implacable, rational, and manly that, why, he couldn't *possibly* say his bullshit whilst milkshaked. Nope, instead he's gotta hide on his fucking bus to avoid a repeat of that fate. ( https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9132151/n ... ilkshakes/ )
And he's shown as the coward and fop that he is. Because it turns out you can't convince people you'll save them from the big bad muslims if you're afraid of *looking silly*

Hey, remember that time Teddy Roosevelt finished his speech after being shot?. Because he's fucking Teddy Roosevelt, and Nigel Farage is a con man getting people killed for being too brown.

I suspect that if gays, lesbians, or muslims were being milkshaked, you'd be livid. Am I wrong?

Milkshakes? Sheer luxury!

What is wrong with what he said about Muslim immigrants? Did he blame them for wealth inequality? Was he lying about events? Is there no possible problem with uncontrolled immigration in regards to support of a nation's values? Do you have any objective evidence that he planned to create a "cimate of terror?" Does a gay student being choked mean that less violent attacks are unimportant?

[Draco Dracul]

How is trying to suppress speech you don't approve of not authoritarian? I mean if it's someone's social security number or yelling fire in a crowded theater, sure, but "Control immigration?" That's political speech someone doesn't like the sound of, and they want it stopped.

See, this is how fascism works. Find a wide societal problem. Perhaps wealth inequality. Find a convenient group people already mistrust, like immigrants (particularly Muslim immigrants). Say they stole all the jobs! These peaceniks in Labor are letting them all in! They're here to rape your children!
And say it as often and as loud as you can, and eventually... jackpot. You found right alchemy of hate, willingness to say damn the consequences, and probably untreated mental condition to do the dirty work.
Get enough of those, and you create a climate of terror. The entire majority group becomes Schrodinger's "Lone Wolf Terrorist". Any white dude could be the unstable dude who pulls a knife on you. So you withdraw, stop advocating, flee.
Violent rhetoric begets violent lashing out, oppressing minority populations.

Just. As. Planned.

And that's how Hitler and Nazi party rouse to power in Germany during 30's. You know, people that are considered to among worst people in history. Humanity tends to repeat same mistakes over and over again instead of learning from history because most people are not educated enough and because of it are easy to be manipulated by those in power.

And historically the way to defeat fascists before they gain power is to make them look ridiculous. I mean that's how Superman finished off the second incarnation of the KKK.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Not really. I consider a pie to the face another form of free speech, as long as it's not loaded with something the recipient of the pie-ing is allergic to.

All right, I'll take you at your word on this. You've earned that. I assume you'd disagree with Cmd King's term "violent rhetoric," but I won't press you on it. And there are dictionary definitions I'd disagree with, so fair enough. This is something we'll just never agree on.

Okay then. If I say something later that contradicts this stance when the roles are reversed, feel free to call me out on it.

[CmdrKing]

I’ll be quoting from this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Independence_Party

With “reticence”, Farage has claimed there is a “fifth column” of Muslims who, while “mercifully small”, plan to “destroy our whole civilization”. He calls upon Western nations to “embrace our Judeo-Christian heritage”, and UKIP itself cites a “serious existential crisis” due to the “Islamification” of Britain.
A percentage of an audience primed by these beliefs, shown an image of long lines of Muslim immigrants, will read this as “the end is nigh act now”. And that’s how beating Muslims in the streets and the murder of Jo Cox happen.
The climate of terror is logistically helpful to Farage. They can’t very well claim to be accomplishing anything if their supporters still see Immigrants day to day, but the climate of terror let’s them say “we’re fighting back, we’ve driven them out of our towns, but the big cities are still full of them! The fight goes on! Please donate.”

Your rhetorical point was “bet you wouldn’t Like it if the gays were milkshaked!!” Whilst willfully ignoring that LGBTQ folk routinely and more frequently in the age of neo-fascism suffer violence already. There’s no *if* in that statement. Just the likelihood that Farage and his associates are making it worse.

Dracul: do you really want to suggest we employ the *proven* solution to fascism? I’d rather see if we can prevent their power from solidifying through milkshakes and legal action first.