Nobody Wants to WORRRK! T_T

[McAvoy]

I will say that this might not work with small businesses. Paying let's say $15 an hour for even one employee might be beyond some. But that is small potatoes compared to Mega corporations like let's say Walmart or fucking Amazon.

Let's let not forget the how bad Amazon is to their employees.

And yet, it's the Mega Corps that legislate even harder against $15 an hour. Because they have a lot more people to pay $15 an hour too.

Not to sound callous, but any Mom and Pops store that pays it's employees $7.50 an hour deserves to fail. Everyone has a right sleep indoors and put food on the table. Owning a bed-and-breakfast or a bakery is a privilege, not a right.

If we ard talking about a 20+ something year old relying on this job to pay the bills then yes I agree with you. But if we are talking about teenagers who are still in school and living under their parent's roof then they don't necessarily need a living wage. The bills are already taken cared of.

Ah yes, the eponymous Teenagers, for whom the minimum wage was allegedly designed.

Never mind that most fast food workers are middle-aged moms.
Never mind that most minimum wage jobs do not keep to hours when teenagers are out of school.
Never mind that the minimum wage was first created, explicitly, so that a person who worked-full time could pay rent, and food, AND support a family instead of living in abject poverty.

You might as well say that the minimum wage is designed for elves who can pay the rent with their fairy gold.

Well gee did I ever say that the minimum wage was designed for teenagers?

Then what are you saying? Why bring teenagers into it? If you're arguing that the 20+ year olds somehow WILL get payed more than the teenagers, how? What would compel their employers to do so?

I brought it up because it is one of the arguments not to raise minimum wage because according them, minimum wage is meant for teenagers starting off working in the workforce.

I am not arguing that 20+ year olds will get paid more due to age or whatever. I am suggesting, not arguing for, that if that was such an argument you could make such a case. But if you read it, I also said it has a strong child labor feel to it.

It was only a thought about the whole 'minimum wage is for teenagers and not adults argument'.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Oh, okay. I'm sorry I read you all wrong.

[Nealithi]

Just a thing from my former boss. For background he claims to be independent but votes Republican 100% in the last 16 years and watches right leaning media.
Anyway he decided to bring up how with some restaurants opening again, or at least trying to, they are having staffing issues because the workers are getting almost as much off unemployment and Federal income as they would working for them.
Now his point of view was that this was the entitled welfare state the left wants. And the solution is to cut off all aid. (Big surprise)
My first thought was more like. "So I can stay home and look for work where I will be treated like a human being. Not be pressured to work for the first petty tyrant that managed to hang a shingle saying they are a business owner."

I bring that up because there is that other wrinkle to working. A place of business has ten job slots. One of the people leaves. But instead of replacing the person you put those duties on another employee. Same pay and usually less respect. Like the more you have one person do, the less they are worth some how? And those duties seem to stack. So each person who leaves has their former duties dumped on the same one or two remaining employees.

So why would you want to go back to a place like that?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Notable that franchise owners were the ones that came up in the news about that. I think as business owners they might get the least flexibility in prices and wages. That is of course next to businesses that have to rely solely on product differentiation -- what a nightmare.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

My first thought was more like. "So I can stay home and look for work where I will be treated like a human being. Not be pressured to work for the first petty tyrant that managed to hang a shingle saying they are a business owner."

I bring that up because there is that other wrinkle to working. A place of business has ten job slots. One of the people leaves. But instead of replacing the person you put those duties on another employee. Same pay and usually less respect. Like the more you have one person do, the less they are worth some how? And those duties seem to stack. So each person who leaves has their former duties dumped on the same one or two remaining employees.

So why would you want to go back to a place like that?

Ding ding ding! Give the man a cigar!

Understaffing has been standard business practice for years now. After all, why hire three people when you can give one person all the work for no more pay and then treat them badly when they slip up? And it's not as if the customers complain to you, no, they'll harass the employees for the slow service, because they remember a time when the service was much better so it must be these new guys aren't doing their jobs properly.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

That's not a cigar it's a cigarette and also that's not a lobster it's a crab.

[McAvoy]

In my last job, Aviation repair and inspection, they hired people to work in the Parts Department for $14 an hour straight off the street. This was a probation pay that after six months it would jump to $18, an hour. My job, found out after awhile to keep these employees and bring in more they made it $18 an hour for six months and then $20-22 an hour based on performance.

The company while pretty successful and before Covid very profitable, isn't a big company like Amazon for example or big super market chains like Shop Rite. But they still managed to give employees a pretty good starting pay with no experience in the field. People with no degree of any kind in fact.

[ProfessorDetective]

In my last job, Aviation repair and inspection, they hired people to work in the Parts Department for $14 an hour straight off the street. This was a probation pay that after six months it would jump to $18, an hour. My job, found out after awhile to keep these employees and bring in more they made it $18 an hour for six months and then $20-22 an hour based on performance.

The company while pretty successful and before Covid very profitable, isn't a big company like Amazon for example or big super market chains like Shop Rite. But they still managed to give employees a pretty good starting pay with no experience in the field. People with no degree of any kind in fact.

You... wouldn't still happen to have their contact info on file... would you?

[McAvoy]

In my last job, Aviation repair and inspection, they hired people to work in the Parts Department for $14 an hour straight off the street. This was a probation pay that after six months it would jump to $18, an hour. My job, found out after awhile to keep these employees and bring in more they made it $18 an hour for six months and then $20-22 an hour based on performance.

The company while pretty successful and before Covid very profitable, isn't a big company like Amazon for example or big super market chains like Shop Rite. But they still managed to give employees a pretty good starting pay with no experience in the field. People with no degree of any kind in fact.

You... wouldn't still happen to have their contact info on file... would you?

Jet East Aviation.

And yes they are hiring.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

In my last job, Aviation repair and inspection, they hired people to work in the Parts Department for $14 an hour straight off the street. This was a probation pay that after six months it would jump to $18, an hour. My job, found out after awhile to keep these employees and bring in more they made it $18 an hour for six months and then $20-22 an hour based on performance.

The company while pretty successful and before Covid very profitable, isn't a big company like Amazon for example or big super market chains like Shop Rite. But they still managed to give employees a pretty good starting pay with no experience in the field. People with no degree of any kind in fact.

Like I said, no employer gives shit pay because it's what they can afford. They give shit pay because it's what they want to do.