God save the queen

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Re: God save the queen

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Often there isn't a specific and obvious cause of death. If the kidneys fail completely, or a blood vessel bursts, that's a clearly-attributable killer. But if enough systems fail to work sufficiently that increased load is put on other systems, causing them to fail to work sufficiently...

There are a number of legally-acceptable terms that end up being put on death certificates, or sometimes a particular cause is simply picked. But there really isn't a single thing responsible for the death, and having a clearly-defined label on the certificate really means nothing at all.

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Re: God save the queen

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So according to this Guardian article:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... icate-says

"Old age is acceptable if the doctor certifying death has cared for the patient for a long time, was not aware of any disease or injury that contributed to death and had observed a gradual decline in the person’s general health and functioning."
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Re: God save the queen

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hammerofglass wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:42 pm So according to this Guardian article:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... icate-says

"Old age is acceptable if the doctor certifying death has cared for the patient for a long time, was not aware of any disease or injury that contributed to death and had observed a gradual decline in the person’s general health and functioning."
In which case said doctor should have some idea of what actually failed. "Health" isn't some mysterious property people posesses, it's the result of the actual state of their body.
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Re: God save the queen

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Probably multiple organ systems were failing at the time her life processes legally ceased. Figuring out what failed critically, pushing her over the edge, might not be possible even if a complete autopsy were carried out, and that involves much more damage to the body that most people realize or want to know about.

As long as there's no evidence of foul play, it doesn't really matter precisely why she died. She was extremely elderly and had suffered from declining health for some time.
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Frustration wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 3:51 pm Probably multiple organ systems were failing at the time her life processes legally ceased. Figuring out what failed critically, pushing her over the edge, might not be possible even if a complete autopsy were carried out, and that involves much more damage to the body that most people realize or want to know about.

As long as there's no evidence of foul play, it doesn't really matter precisely why she died. She was extremely elderly and had suffered from declining health for some time.
I think that's how it is. Just the whole body is old tired and worn out that it might not be possible to clearly indicate what was the killer.

Like my grandmother died at the same age in 2018 and while dimentia played a part, there was no clear indication of how she died. Just that dimentia played a part in it. She died in her sleep. We never found out (or really cared) what killed her, just that she died in her sleep.
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