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CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:35 am I should point out that I live in Kentucky.

I think the part that pisses me off most is the closing ranks element of all this. 90% of the people I know are Republicans and I don't think they're criminals or against democracy. I do think the LEADERSHIP of the Republican party is criminal and Trump in particular. Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul have tried to run this country into the ground, my state they've succeeded in, and I could list all day their repulsive policies.

I can hate THESE people without hating the other side and yes I am bewildered why the GOP as a whole keep rallying behind these people.

My experience is overall the opposite honestly. Individual, voting-base level republicans generally do believe their representatives do good work and support most of the “causes” they fight for (if not always the way they do so).

They are genuinely all aboard, to pull an example relevant to me, for the genocide of trans people. They just wish for it to be conducted in a way that allows them plausible deniability of the outcome by dressing up the means in respectable cloth.

CmdrKing wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:26 pm

CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:35 am I should point out that I live in Kentucky.

I think the part that pisses me off most is the closing ranks element of all this. 90% of the people I know are Republicans and I don't think they're criminals or against democracy. I do think the LEADERSHIP of the Republican party is criminal and Trump in particular. Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul have tried to run this country into the ground, my state they've succeeded in, and I could list all day their repulsive policies.

I can hate THESE people without hating the other side and yes I am bewildered why the GOP as a whole keep rallying behind these people.

My experience is overall the opposite honestly. Individual, voting-base level republicans generally do believe their representatives do good work and support most of the “causes” they fight for (if not always the way they do so).

They are genuinely all aboard, to pull an example relevant to me, for the genocide of trans people. They just wish for it to be conducted in a way that allows them plausible deniability of the outcome by dressing up the means in respectable cloth.

I know Republicans who are all for the genocide of trans people and Republicans (including some of my best friends who are the most accepting people I know) who flat-out refuse to believe their party calling for it is happening no matter how blatant. I don't know any who think it's good and don't acknowledge it or that think it's bad and do.

hammerofglass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:06 pm

CmdrKing wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:26 pm

CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:35 am I should point out that I live in Kentucky.

I think the part that pisses me off most is the closing ranks element of all this. 90% of the people I know are Republicans and I don't think they're criminals or against democracy. I do think the LEADERSHIP of the Republican party is criminal and Trump in particular. Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul have tried to run this country into the ground, my state they've succeeded in, and I could list all day their repulsive policies.

I can hate THESE people without hating the other side and yes I am bewildered why the GOP as a whole keep rallying behind these people.

My experience is overall the opposite honestly. Individual, voting-base level republicans generally do believe their representatives do good work and support most of the “causes” they fight for (if not always the way they do so).

They are genuinely all aboard, to pull an example relevant to me, for the genocide of trans people. They just wish for it to be conducted in a way that allows them plausible deniability of the outcome by dressing up the means in respectable cloth.

I know Republicans who are all for the genocide of trans people and Republicans (including some of my best friends who are the most accepting people I know) who flat-out refuse to believe their party calling for it is happening no matter how blatant. I don't know any who think it's good and don't acknowledge it or that think it's bad and do.

And here we have a couple of entries from the tin-foil hat brigade.

Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:34 pm And here we have a couple of entries from the tin-foil hat brigade.

Please explain what is conspiratorial about that.

Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:49 pm

Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:34 pm And here we have a couple of entries from the tin-foil hat brigade.

Please explain what is conspiratorial about that.

Everything.

The famed conspiracy of "going outside and talking to people".

Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:20 pm

Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:49 pm

Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:34 pm And here we have a couple of entries from the tin-foil hat brigade.

Please explain what is conspiratorial about that.

Everything.

So Florida isn't forcibly detransitioning people and texas isn't trying to take trans kids from thier homes? Lile the only the latter sputtered out is most of the states social workers quite in protest.

CmdrKing wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:26 pm
My experience is overall the opposite honestly. Individual, voting-base level republicans generally do believe their representatives do good work and support most of the “causes” they fight for (if not always the way they do so).

They are genuinely all aboard, to pull an example relevant to me, for the genocide of trans people. They just wish for it to be conducted in a way that allows them plausible deniability of the outcome by dressing up the means in respectable cloth.

Yes, I suppose it would be extra horrifying to find out the problem in America is the people.

Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:20 pm

Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:49 pm

Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:34 pm And here we have a couple of entries from the tin-foil hat brigade.

Please explain what is conspiratorial about that.

Everything.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Like, let’s be clear. My claim here is that the current actions of the Florida Medical Board, barring injunction, already rise to meet the definition of genocide as laid out by the UN ( https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml )

Further I would suggest that engaging in this lower level form of genocide frequently leads subsequently to meet the layperson’s definition of the word.
However conservatives, from Mitch McConnell down to mickey_rat15, are deeply invested in denying these things, either for their own peace of mind or as a calculated tactic to diminish opposition against them.

(This is also why it’s important not to pin this just on the leaders OR to hand wave it away something wrong with ‘the people’. It’s disproportionately the domain of conservatism as an ideology and we need to grapple with that reality and it’s potential causes.)

The best evidence that trans people don't have to worry about genocide is that some of them are openly claiming that they are targets of genocide.

People who are truly at risk in that way don't have the safety and sense of security to make those sorts of claims.