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clearspira wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:45 pm

Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:43 am

Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:59 pm Again, I just feel if they can do their job with out any risk to their lives, why not? Are cops still supposed to risk their lives when they have another option?

I mean my preference would be for most of them to be fired, most of thier funding be redirected to social service as to actually prevent crime, and the jobs of investigation, providing citations, and responding to mental health crises be made into separate roles not directly tied to being an armed violence doer.

With the amount of guns your country has on the streets, it will never work. You are not Norway. You are a country where every school shooting or gay club massacre is met with "oh, is it Tuesday again?"

Frustration wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:19 pm

Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:43 am I mean my preference would be for most of them to be fired, most of thier funding be redirected to social service as to actually prevent crime, and the jobs of investigation, providing citations, and responding to mental health crises be made into separate roles not directly tied to being an armed violence doer.

And then all the problems that motivated them to develop so dangerously in the first place go unchecked.

Frustration wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:53 pm And our knowledge of how to treat wounds came from battlefields, corpse dissections (which were once considered morally abhorrent), and Devil's bargains with organizations like Unit 731.

Your point is?

Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:57 am

Frustration wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:53 pm And our knowledge of how to treat wounds came from battlefields, corpse dissections (which were once considered morally abhorrent), and Devil's bargains with organizations like Unit 731.

Your point is?

I mean the key difference is that medical procedures save peoples lives, cops brutalize the poor. Police do not prevent crime nor do they protect people as neither is their job. There job is to protect the property of the rich and the main innovations were finding a way of doing that without making the armed violence class part of the upper society nor needing the rich to shell out the money themselves.

The comparison is bad because not only are the benefits of the police existing at all incredibly dubious but your choice of comparisons are pretty terrible as there was nothing of any scientific merit from Unit 731, their exoneration was such a miscarriage of justice that even they were surprised that they were allowed to live.

Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:43 pm

clearspira wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:45 pm

Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:43 am

Dragon Ball Fan wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:59 pm Again, I just feel if they can do their job with out any risk to their lives, why not? Are cops still supposed to risk their lives when they have another option?

I mean my preference would be for most of them to be fired, most of thier funding be redirected to social service as to actually prevent crime, and the jobs of investigation, providing citations, and responding to mental health crises be made into separate roles not directly tied to being an armed violence doer.

With the amount of guns your country has on the streets, it will never work. You are not Norway. You are a country where every school shooting or gay club massacre is met with "oh, is it Tuesday again?"

I'm not sure how that's relevant to the viability of this proposal as A) guns are a tool used in crime rather than a source of crime in and of themselves and B) the typical police response to someone armed is to cower. Like we're not even months removed from dozens of police, including SWAT, standing around and doing nothing as dozens of children were murdered. In Club Q the only thing the police did was save the murderous scumbag as he was subdued by patrons of the club.

clearspira wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:14 pm The problem is, you do not live in the real world. The USA is an insanely violent place. Perhaps this is one of those things where you need to actually leave the USA and travel to see by just how much. The fact that you have annual massacres should be proof of this.

If you disarm the police in America then you will have anarchy. The street gangs will rule Mad Max style. It is already too late for you. The best you can manage is a sticking plaster.

Please tell me that you are not proposing the idea that the Bloods and the Crips will hand in their Uzi's and never bother a soul again. I am seriously wondering what sugar-coated gated community you must live in at this point.

Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:46 pm

clearspira wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:14 pm The problem is, you do not live in the real world. The USA is an insanely violent place. Perhaps this is one of those things where you need to actually leave the USA and travel to see by just how much. The fact that you have annual massacres should be proof of this.

Violence doesn't come from nowhere, it is not some unique characteristic of people in the US, it's emergent from the conditions of poverty, and de facto segregation that plagues the country. I want to actually address the root problems instead of just meeting people with violence, enslaving them, and then restricting both their ability to vote and their ability to work.

Police have shown themselves to be incredibly bad at stopping and preventing such massacres. Putting police in schools has done nothing to deter mass shooters, but it has massively increased the number of minority students going to jail.

If you disarm the police in America then you will have anarchy. The street gangs will rule Mad Max style. It is already too late for you. The best you can manage is a sticking plaster.

My guy the police in NYC tried to prove how valuable they were by doing a massive work slow down only to have to stop because crime was going down. Violent crime is significantly less than it was 40 years ago, and it continued to drop even as the number of police fell in the late 00s-early 10s.

Please tell me that you are not proposing the idea that the Bloods and the Crips will hand in their Uzi's and never bother a soul again. I am seriously wondering what sugar-coated gated community you must live in at this point.

I mean the goal is defeat the gangs by ending the poverty and discrimination from which they historically draw their membership. And if they are still a problem or become more violent in the absence of police, guns are easy to get in the US you can create community self defense and I trust the average person a lot more than I do a cop because the average person is less likely to be a domestic abuser.