The great 2020 election thread....

[clearspira]

I think focusing on the unarmed people shot by police is important. Let us not forget it affects white people though. Does it affect black people disproportionately? You could definitely make that case. But it's both BS and it's something that has to stop.

Well I was probably coming off a bit strong for it being a toxic movement or something. As was stated by someone earlier it was largely misunderstanding backlash. Albeit while the overall message especially in the confines of how you convey it is reasonable, the use of it was specifically an argument against the BLM protests, and not directed at any chains of civil authority, figuratively speaking or otherwise.

All and all though it really was just more of a misunderstanding, even as far as I experienced it with people I know, but the take was so misguided.

Kinda like how I suppose MeToo, just not the excesses that can lead to abuse. All systems of power and a movement for change can have that. They just need to rein the excesses in. Because I support giving victims a voice. Having a big giant company fire a worker over that, less so. Let it go to trial if it has to be done, then decide what to do. But then the big corps have always at times fired workers if it suits PR purposes, and show no signs of stopping anytime soon. So it has to be done. Necessary evil, I'd say.

Speaking of MeToo (and I apologise if this was already covered but I am not looking back through so many pages) Joe Biden having so many women come out against him has been very conveniently timed. Maybe he did do it, but these claims weren't last year, or the year before that, or six months ago. They were just after he - by many polls - overtook Bernie.

Herm...

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

It's not like you have a dog in this race, Clearspira.

CaptainCrimson, what excesses? What abuses? Do you have any actual incidences of the MeToo movement causing problems in mind or just "This could go too far"?

[Captain Crimson]

I think focusing on the unarmed people shot by police is important. Let us not forget it affects white people though. Does it affect black people disproportionately? You could definitely make that case. But it's both BS and it's something that has to stop.

Well I was probably coming off a bit strong for it being a toxic movement or something. As was stated by someone earlier it was largely misunderstanding backlash. Albeit while the overall message especially in the confines of how you convey it is reasonable, the use of it was specifically an argument against the BLM protests, and not directed at any chains of civil authority, figuratively speaking or otherwise.

All and all though it really was just more of a misunderstanding, even as far as I experienced it with people I know, but the take was so misguided.

Kinda like how I suppose MeToo, just not the excesses that can lead to abuse. All systems of power and a movement for change can have that. They just need to rein the excesses in. Because I support giving victims a voice. Having a big giant company fire a worker over that, less so. Let it go to trial if it has to be done, then decide what to do. But then the big corps have always at times fired workers if it suits PR purposes, and show no signs of stopping anytime soon. So it has to be done. Necessary evil, I'd say.

Speaking of MeToo (and I apologise if this was already covered but I am not looking back through so many pages) Joe Biden having so many women come out against him has been very conveniently timed. Maybe he did do it, but these claims weren't last year, or the year before that, or six months ago. They were just after he - by many polls - overtook Bernie.

Herm...

I tend to believe them. I mean, the whole democratic establishment has lined up behind him, so this is inconvenient for them, and it's revealing their own hypocrisies. Not singling them out, mind you. All human beings have them. It is just a shame this will never see a courtroom. Women have been told to just put aside your feelings for the greater good. Same attitude we see once Mr. Biden chooses a vice-president. It's going to be a woman, mark my words. Now granted, if this came down to trial you need to be impartial. But my way of thinking is, if I have no personal influence in the "he said, she said" deal going on, I'm gonna believe the accuser. With the variation that they could be lying since statistically, it's very low.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I think focusing on the unarmed people shot by police is important. Let us not forget it affects white people though. Does it affect black people disproportionately? You could definitely make that case. But it's both BS and it's something that has to stop.

Well I was probably coming off a bit strong for it being a toxic movement or something. As was stated by someone earlier it was largely misunderstanding backlash. Albeit while the overall message especially in the confines of how you convey it is reasonable, the use of it was specifically an argument against the BLM protests, and not directed at any chains of civil authority, figuratively speaking or otherwise.

All and all though it really was just more of a misunderstanding, even as far as I experienced it with people I know, but the take was so misguided.

Kinda like how I suppose MeToo, just not the excesses that can lead to abuse. All systems of power and a movement for change can have that. They just need to rein the excesses in. Because I support giving victims a voice. Having a big giant company fire a worker over that, less so. Let it go to trial if it has to be done, then decide what to do. But then the big corps have always at times fired workers if it suits PR purposes, and show no signs of stopping anytime soon. So it has to be done. Necessary evil, I'd say.

That's a good one. Really though the storm of Metoo calmed down after about 6 months.

btw Biden explicitly said he's picking a woman vp.

[Captain Crimson]

I think focusing on the unarmed people shot by police is important. Let us not forget it affects white people though. Does it affect black people disproportionately? You could definitely make that case. But it's both BS and it's something that has to stop.

Well I was probably coming off a bit strong for it being a toxic movement or something. As was stated by someone earlier it was largely misunderstanding backlash. Albeit while the overall message especially in the confines of how you convey it is reasonable, the use of it was specifically an argument against the BLM protests, and not directed at any chains of civil authority, figuratively speaking or otherwise.

All and all though it really was just more of a misunderstanding, even as far as I experienced it with people I know, but the take was so misguided.

Kinda like how I suppose MeToo, just not the excesses that can lead to abuse. All systems of power and a movement for change can have that. They just need to rein the excesses in. Because I support giving victims a voice. Having a big giant company fire a worker over that, less so. Let it go to trial if it has to be done, then decide what to do. But then the big corps have always at times fired workers if it suits PR purposes, and show no signs of stopping anytime soon. So it has to be done. Necessary evil, I'd say.

That's a good one. Really though the storm of Metoo calmed down after about 6 months.

btw Biden explicitly said he's picking a woman vp.

See what I mean? That's a cause to be concerned. It's the little token woman for him. If it wasn't for my mom, I'd sit this election out as usual.

The big question is, what states do you think he's gonna carry? I think he could genuinely get less votes than Mr. 45, yet nab the electoral college. There's your democracy in action, folks.

[GreyICE]

I don't really trust cops and I'm all in favor of body cams (unlike BLM's leadership, who doesn't want them around). Do I think blacks get considered criminals more often in America by pretty much anyone? Yes, and it isn't nearly fair. Yes, blacks in the US commit crimes out of proportion compared to the general population, but men do even more.

Why, oh why, must you lie? See, it's impossible to have a respectful conversation when you just have to debunk lies:

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/film-the-police

Like, it is impossible to have a real conversation with someone who is just going to pack in lies. Are there points that people don't like about body cameras? Yeah. The footage is being fed into facial recognition programs, which is not the point of body cameras at all. You should have a problem with that too.

As for Blue Lives Matter - white nationalist scumsucking bottom feeders. They deserve not one more iota of anyone's time or effort than can be used to dismiss those shiteating turdbrains as the lowlife trash they are.

P.S. On your conversation about toy guns - what do you think about the fact police were carrying them to plant on bodies? Does that change anything you think about any news reports about "toy guns" you heard where the dead suspect apparently had a toy gun next to them? Does it occur to you that many of these dead people were not, in fact, carrying toy guns?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I think focusing on the unarmed people shot by police is important. Let us not forget it affects white people though. Does it affect black people disproportionately? You could definitely make that case. But it's both BS and it's something that has to stop.

Well I was probably coming off a bit strong for it being a toxic movement or something. As was stated by someone earlier it was largely misunderstanding backlash. Albeit while the overall message especially in the confines of how you convey it is reasonable, the use of it was specifically an argument against the BLM protests, and not directed at any chains of civil authority, figuratively speaking or otherwise.

All and all though it really was just more of a misunderstanding, even as far as I experienced it with people I know, but the take was so misguided.

Kinda like how I suppose MeToo, just not the excesses that can lead to abuse. All systems of power and a movement for change can have that. They just need to rein the excesses in. Because I support giving victims a voice. Having a big giant company fire a worker over that, less so. Let it go to trial if it has to be done, then decide what to do. But then the big corps have always at times fired workers if it suits PR purposes, and show no signs of stopping anytime soon. So it has to be done. Necessary evil, I'd say.

That's a good one. Really though the storm of Metoo calmed down after about 6 months.

btw Biden explicitly said he's picking a woman vp.

See what I mean? That's a cause to be concerned. It's the little token woman for him. If it wasn't for my mom, I'd sit this election out as usual.

Well the Republicans have him beat at that game too 'cause McCain played that card in '08 with that woman Tina Fey played a lot.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I don't really trust cops and I'm all in favor of body cams (unlike BLM's leadership, who doesn't want them around). Do I think blacks get considered criminals more often in America by pretty much anyone? Yes, and it isn't nearly fair. Yes, blacks in the US commit crimes out of proportion compared to the general population, but men do even more.

Why, oh why, must you lie? See, it's impossible to have a respectful conversation when you just have to debunk lies:

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/film-the-police

Like, it is impossible to have a real conversation with someone who is just going to pack in lies. Are there points that people don't like about body cameras? Yeah. The footage is being fed into facial recognition programs, which is not the point of body cameras at all. You should have a problem with that too.

As for Blue Lives Matter - white nationalist scumsucking bottom feeders. They deserve not one more iota of anyone's time or effort than can be used to dismiss those shiteating turdbrains as the lowlife trash they are.

P.S. On your conversation about toy guns - what do you think about the fact police were carrying them to plant on bodies? Does that change anything you think about any news reports about "toy guns" you heard where the dead suspect apparently had a toy gun next to them? Does it occur to you that many of these dead people were not, in fact, carrying toy guns?

Wait, which part is he lying about? That BLM doesn't want body cams?

[Captain Crimson]

I think focusing on the unarmed people shot by police is important. Let us not forget it affects white people though. Does it affect black people disproportionately? You could definitely make that case. But it's both BS and it's something that has to stop.

Well I was probably coming off a bit strong for it being a toxic movement or something. As was stated by someone earlier it was largely misunderstanding backlash. Albeit while the overall message especially in the confines of how you convey it is reasonable, the use of it was specifically an argument against the BLM protests, and not directed at any chains of civil authority, figuratively speaking or otherwise.

All and all though it really was just more of a misunderstanding, even as far as I experienced it with people I know, but the take was so misguided.

Kinda like how I suppose MeToo, just not the excesses that can lead to abuse. All systems of power and a movement for change can have that. They just need to rein the excesses in. Because I support giving victims a voice. Having a big giant company fire a worker over that, less so. Let it go to trial if it has to be done, then decide what to do. But then the big corps have always at times fired workers if it suits PR purposes, and show no signs of stopping anytime soon. So it has to be done. Necessary evil, I'd say.

That's a good one. Really though the storm of Metoo calmed down after about 6 months.

btw Biden explicitly said he's picking a woman vp.

See what I mean? That's a cause to be concerned. It's the little token woman for him. If it wasn't for my mom, I'd sit this election out as usual.

Well the Republicans have him beat at that game too 'cause McCain played that card in '08 with that woman Tina Fey played a lot.

And before that, there was Mr. Mondale. Historically, choosing a woman running mate does not work out well among voters. And Mr. Biden is too much the establishment candidate. People don't want the establishment candidate anymore. They think being the anti-Trump will work to their advantage. I'm not as confident.

[Madner Kami]

btw Biden explicitly said he's picking a woman vp.

See what I mean? That's a cause to be concerned. It's the little token woman for him. If it wasn't for my mom, I'd sit this election out as usual.

The big question is, what states do you think he's gonna carry? I think he could genuinely get less votes than Mr. 45, yet nab the electoral college. There's your democracy in action, folks.

I had the sneaking suspicion since a while now. Is that you, Yukaphile? Is this your real persona as opposed to the constructed one we know already? Or are you just more stable thanks to therapy and medication now?