Remember how the Mainstream Media said they won't be coming for Jefferson and Washington Next?

[Thebestoftherest]

Good point, if this is about family and not hatred. Why only the generals if you want to show those families why have only have statues of the leaders why not a small statue for a private or luentent.

[phantom000]

False comparison. I don't have to imagine. She's fucking dead, so why should I care how she would feel if I refer to her son as a traitor? The only people who want to preserve statues of traitors are either white supremacists, ignorant Southerners deluding themselves about "Southern heritage", or both. If I found out I had an ancestor that fought for the south I'd disregard them just as I disregard my dumbass uncle that rants about COVID being a hoax. Anyone that fought for white supremacy doesn't deserve a memorial.

First; I don't think its false as in both cases you are talking about someone who lost their son who probably felt justified in what they were doing. And in both cases it doesn't make it any less painful for them.

Second; I avoid making sweeping judgements of people as its a bad habit, it lets you justify anything you want.

Third; I take it you won't be attending his funeral, correct?

[Makeshift Python]

False comparison. I don't have to imagine. She's fucking dead, so why should I care how she would feel if I refer to her son as a traitor? The only people who want to preserve statues of traitors are either white supremacists, ignorant Southerners deluding themselves about "Southern heritage", or both. If I found out I had an ancestor that fought for the south I'd disregard them just as I disregard my dumbass uncle that rants about COVID being a hoax. Anyone that fought for white supremacy doesn't deserve a memorial.

First; I don't think its false as in both cases you are talking about someone who lost their son who probably felt justified in what they were doing. And in both cases it doesn't make it any less painful for them.

I don't doubt both mothers were hurt over losing sons, but one's pain over that loss doesn't absolve the crime of a traitor/white supremacist. Besides, that was over a hundred years ago.

Second; I avoid making sweeping judgements of people as its a bad habit, it lets you justify anything you want.

It's not a judgement that people fought for white supremacy in the Confederacy, it's a fact. It's written in their own texts for WHY they succeeded.

Third; I take it you won't be attending his funeral, correct?

Funny you mention that. Before my grandfather died he made it clear that he didn't want an open casket at his wake, but my uncle arranged that anyway because he's a narcissist. So when the time comes that he passes away I won't bother attending either his wake or funeral.

[phantom000]

I don't doubt both mothers were hurt over losing sons, but one's pain over that loss doesn't absolve the crime of a traitor/white supremacist.

What if you were the cop that shot that kid in Chicago? What would you tell his mother? Would you look her in the eye and tell her it's all her sons fault as you were just doing your job so you couldn't be blamed for anything that happened? Is that what you would tell her?

Besides, that was over a hundred years ago.

Prove to me its not happening all over again, that every statue, every riot and every police incident isn't another step on the road to a second civil war.

It's not a judgement that people fought for white supremacy in the Confederacy, it's a fact. It's written in their own texts for WHY they succeeded.

The only people who want to preserve statues of traitors are either white supremacists, ignorant Southerners deluding themselves about "Southern heritage", or both. is a broad judgement. To me its the same as someone saying 'they're a bunch of lazy morons who can't appreciate how great this country really is.' Its the same mistake just from a different direction.

[Makeshift Python]

I don't doubt both mothers were hurt over losing sons, but one's pain over that loss doesn't absolve the crime of a traitor/white supremacist.

What if you were the cop that shot that kid in Chicago? What would you tell his mother? Would you look her in the eye and tell her it's all her sons fault as you were just doing your job so you couldn't be blamed for anything that happened? Is that what you would tell her?

I wouldn't have shot the kid in the first place.

Prove to me its not happening all over again, that every statue, every riot and every police incident isn't another step on the road to a second civil war.

If there is a second Civil War, I know where I stand.

The only people who want to preserve statues of traitors are either white supremacists, ignorant Southerners deluding themselves about "Southern heritage", or both. is a broad judgement. To me its the same as someone saying 'they're a bunch of lazy morons who can't appreciate how great this country really is.' Its the same mistake just from a different direction.

Then ask yourself this: Why would YOU want to preserve a statue of Robert E. Lee anywhere besides a museum?

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

So you're mainly just commenting on public outbursts and not about the actual removal of confederate statues, or more namely, whether it's even appropriate or a reasonable course of action?

Yes actually. I'm not exactly opposed to it on principle, but i feel like a lot of this is happening for the wrong reasons. I see crowds of protestors talking about changing the system, but a statue is not the system. A statue is just a symbol and a symbol means whatever you want it to mean, ask a Buddhist about a swastika sometime.

I try not to make broad judgements about people (that's why i think a lot of this is unfair) but I think its not unfair to ask; what exactly are trying to do here and how does pulling down a statue help you achieve that? I also wonder how much of this will continue once Covid is dealt with and stuff will be opening back up again.

I also need to add keeping statues aren't cheap and the elected officials of those wanted the statues down but the Republicans in charge force them to keep them for their own gains.

That is one aspect of this I can't complain about. If a city was removing them to save money, I could not blame them for that. But it feels like a lot of this is happening for the wrong reasons.

You don't seem concerned that the statues were put UP in the first place for the wrong reasons.

[Draco Dracul]

We don't build statues for traitors and we don't build statues for losers. The confederates were both. No participation trophies.

You know what they say; those who don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

Indeed, that's why we need to remove the statures and memorials to Confederates as they actively paint a false history, as if you learn a false history you aren't learning history at all.

[Thebestoftherest]

Those statues aren't made to teach people of the evil of man, they are to have the south refused to admit any wrong doing.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

We don't build statues for traitors and we don't build statues for losers. The confederates were both. No participation trophies.

You know what they say; those who don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

Except those statues aren;t made to remember the lives lost, but remember a glory that never existed, and too put fear in those who the white man once enslaved.

Or they were created by families that lost someone in the war and didn't want to forget them? With some of them its hard to see how they are supposed to be 'glorification of white-supremacy.' I remember one they wanted to remove; people were saying how it was 'a monument to the institution of racial prejudice' except it was a pedestal with the names of the city's resident who died in the Confederate Army, its basically a mass grave stone and they wanted to tear it down.

I heard on the radio, i think it was for Memorial Day, some people went to one of the Civil War battle sites and lit a bunch of candles. One blue candle for each Union soldier who died there and one gray candle for each Confederate who died there. I was surprised all hell didn't break loose from people calling the whole thing a hate crime or something.

Predominantly public memorial gravestones are probably a bit much.

[Thebestoftherest]

phantom if that is the case why only the generals?