Alabama bans abortion

[clearspira]

Sources and sarcasm aside...this really depresses me. My mother and grandmother fought to defend women's rights to safe abortion. I am so, so scared that we're going back to this.

Scared is an exaggeration surely.

No, it really isn't. This is something that scares me on the level of "what if same sex marriage gets outlawed again?"

Except that is not what you wrote. Not even slightly.

[clearspira]

The Reagan administration included actively ignoring the AIDS crisis for the sake of wiping out gays

Any evidence of that motive?

I mean they laughed as the it killed people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/art ... a99877bafb

People laugh at tragedies all the time.

People do laugh at tragedies all the time though. Ever heard of dark humour?

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Sources and sarcasm aside...this really depresses me. My mother and grandmother fought to defend women's rights to safe abortion. I am so, so scared that we're going back to this.

Scared is an exaggeration surely.

No, it really isn't. This is something that scares me on the level of "what if same sex marriage gets outlawed again?"

Except that is not what you wrote. Not even slightly.

No it is not what I wrote, but I am bringing it up as an example of something else that really scares me. Comprende?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Comprende is a sly way of saying understand btw.

[clearspira]

Sources and sarcasm aside...this really depresses me. My mother and grandmother fought to defend women's rights to safe abortion. I am so, so scared that we're going back to this.

Scared is an exaggeration surely.

No, it really isn't. This is something that scares me on the level of "what if same sex marriage gets outlawed again?"

Except that is not what you wrote. Not even slightly.

No it is not what I wrote, but I am bringing it up as an example of something else that really scares me. Comprende?

No, because the link between abortion and gay marriage is tangential at best. There is plenty I can bring up as ''something else'' that scares me but they would not be relevant to a conversation about abortion.

[Draco Dracul]

The Reagan administration included actively ignoring the AIDS crisis for the sake of wiping out gays

Any evidence of that motive?

I mean they laughed as the it killed people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/art ... a99877bafb

People laugh at tragedies all the time.

People do laugh at tragedies all the time though. Ever heard of dark humour?

And in this case the joke is that they actively hindered the research and response to AIDS until it had started crossing over to white suburbanites by which point it had become a pandemic.

[Yukaphile]

My reason for saying "kinda" is that people often forget women uphold patriarchy too, and are raised to think very rigidly in terms of "men and male needs," and so on and so forth. I've met a few personally like this. I think was it clearspira? Who talked about that, that women and their role in upholding the patriarchy is often overlooked. Probably am remembering it wrong.

[Karha of Honor]

Sources and sarcasm aside...this really depresses me. My mother and grandmother fought to defend women's rights to safe abortion. I am so, so scared that we're going back to this.

Blame the people who started the full court press culture wars...

He is, because the full court press on the culture war started with the Reagan revolution in the Eighties with the full integration of the Dixiecrats into the Republican party.

@Darth Wedgius Ever since abortion was legalized, there's been this huge, mostly right-wing segment of the American population who thinks it's been a mistake, even though women were getting abortions far before it was legalized. They hate it. And it's not so simple as "they're deeply concerned about the well-being of the child!" Many of them are religious, and I think they're hypocrites because God's own teachings said, let him handle it, if this kind of thing is a crime. It's the same kind of view that went into outlawing liquor. A bunch of moral religious crusaders trying to shove their views down our throats. And even if it's a minority in the Alabama government, they know it caters well to the religious right-wing. Don't treat this as anything less than a major victory for the alt right and their war on women.

You have a problem with them acting like your beloved progressives?

Yes, because when I think of progressives I think of creating policy specifically designed only to hurt people, like ... or ? and *file not found*.

That was not full court press, you can make the case that the idiocy right after 911 was that.

Hate crime laws, not hard to guess the endgame. I don't think they think of themselves as hurting people.

The Reagan administration included actively ignoring the AIDS crisis for the sake of wiping out gays, and actively destroying the social security net by associating it with the black community.

The end game of hate crime laws is to make it harder to organize large scale hate groups by turning what would be misdemeanors into felonies by acting as aggravating factors. The best example of this is that it's what makes burning a cross on the lawn of a black family a different crime than putting a bag of burning dog poop on your annoying neighbors door step, as by the letter of the law both are a malicious burning.

I will gladly say it again:
I don't think they think of themselves as hurting people.

No way that is the endgame with the miniscule number of crimes defined as hate crimes.
That is not why the game is played.

[clearspira]

Sources and sarcasm aside...this really depresses me. My mother and grandmother fought to defend women's rights to safe abortion. I am so, so scared that we're going back to this.

Blame the people who started the full court press culture wars...

He is, because the full court press on the culture war started with the Reagan revolution in the Eighties with the full integration of the Dixiecrats into the Republican party.

@Darth Wedgius Ever since abortion was legalized, there's been this huge, mostly right-wing segment of the American population who thinks it's been a mistake, even though women were getting abortions far before it was legalized. They hate it. And it's not so simple as "they're deeply concerned about the well-being of the child!" Many of them are religious, and I think they're hypocrites because God's own teachings said, let him handle it, if this kind of thing is a crime. It's the same kind of view that went into outlawing liquor. A bunch of moral religious crusaders trying to shove their views down our throats. And even if it's a minority in the Alabama government, they know it caters well to the religious right-wing. Don't treat this as anything less than a major victory for the alt right and their war on women.

You have a problem with them acting like your beloved progressives?

Yes, because when I think of progressives I think of creating policy specifically designed only to hurt people, like ... or ? and *file not found*.

That was not full court press, you can make the case that the idiocy right after 911 was that.

Hate crime laws, not hard to guess the endgame. I don't think they think of themselves as hurting people.

The Reagan administration included actively ignoring the AIDS crisis for the sake of wiping out gays, and actively destroying the social security net by associating it with the black community.

The end game of hate crime laws is to make it harder to organize large scale hate groups by turning what would be misdemeanors into felonies by acting as aggravating factors. The best example of this is that it's what makes burning a cross on the lawn of a black family a different crime than putting a bag of burning dog poop on your annoying neighbors door step, as by the letter of the law both are a malicious burning.

I will gladly say it again:
I don't think they think of themselves as hurting people.

No way that is the endgame with the miniscule number of crimes defined as hate crimes.
That is not why the game is played.

The bad guy never thinks that he is the bad guy because no one in real life is a cackling comic book supervillain wearing a robe. There are reasons behind every human action - not always reasons that any one else agrees with, but reasons that make sense to the person in question.

[clearspira]

My reason for saying "kinda" is that people often forget women uphold patriarchy too, and are raised to think very rigidly in terms of "men and male needs," and so on and so forth. I've met a few personally like this. I think was it clearspira? Who talked about that, that women and their role in upholding the patriarchy is often overlooked. Probably am remembering it wrong.

Sounds like something I would say tbh. My view put simply is that no one group is ever to blame for the nastiness that goes on in the world. For every ''men do this'' I can find a ''women do that'' and vice versa. Same for every group, for the human world is not black and white, its layered like an onion.