Well you see, when you get the result you want, the people have spoken and there's no need for further polls. When you get the result you don't want, there's definitely a need for another poll. That's why minority governments are so unstable; you keep going back to the polls until there isn't one anymore.RobbyB1982 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:01 pm The entire Brexit vote was made on a series of promises that very quickly became clear the government wasn't actually going to be able to do.
And given that it was a close vote, nearly 50/50... maaaybe, just maybe, Brexit should have gotten a second vote after it became its leaders had no actual plan for it?
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Minority governments?
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When the government doesn't have a majority of the seats in a Westminster parliament. Unlike the US, they can hold elections roughly on demand.
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Hmm interesting.
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Like I said, it's still about as "Done" as medium-rare chicken cutlets.
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Great work. Lot's of effort put into it and thx for providing sources. Sadly I've accepted that at this time the only thing that'll convince Brits that their government is only interested in keeping themselves in power and doesn't (and didn't) give one single damn about Brexit - is time. As an European I'll be happily watching years go by, Scottish Referendum happening, people and companies leaving to resettle to our countries that are still part of the EU and watching the Brits grow poorer and worse off - day by day, year by year...
Just look at their minister of the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs - e.g. Fisheries - admitted to not even reading the Brexit deal she voted on. Publicly. She was preparing with her kids for a nativity play instead. And the Brits are okay with that. In my country everyone would be calling for her resignation. UK? No problem whatsoever: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... t-nativity
The only real threat that mattered to the EU was the fear the Brexit could herald in a wave of countries wanting to leave the EU - but with the way Britain fumbled with the whole thing there is not a single politician anywhere in the EU in 2021 who'd point at Brexit and say - "Vote for me and I'll let you experience that!" So as far as we in the EU are concerned Brexit is "Done" and all that's left is schadenfreude as we all watch businesses leaving UK and mega-corps like Mastercard raising up fees that they had to keep low while UK was part of the EU block: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55796426
To quote: Mastercard is implementing the rises simply as it's no longer bound by the restrictions imposed by the UK being in the EU. The banks which receive the fees have said in the past that they are invested in areas such as card security and innovation. This time, however, the trade body which represents them has declined to comment on the rises.
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Funny thing it is, this article 16, because just 4 days ago...
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-boris ... l-12207504
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/ ... 2322840578
Um, yeah. Well, if the customers don't want to buy shellfish, then the supermarkets won't sell more shellfish. What do you want to do, Redwood? Force people to buy shellfish? Dump the prices into nirvana so people can't resist and you have to subsidize your fishing industry to hell and back in order to keep prices low? Not to even think about the fact that if you want to sell as much shellfish as you did before BrExit, then the average Brit would have to eat 8 times as much shellfish as the average continental european did before BrExit. Well, I totally foresee a change in the british cusine. From warm beer and mint sauce, to shellfish all day. Every day...
You know what's extra funny? John Redwood was famously once described as a "Vulcan", by a member of his own party, due to his intonation and prefering "logic over passion". Well. This one clearly suffers from Pa'Nar-syndrome, which he must have caught when melding with the BrExit-idea.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-boris ... l-12207504
Also, BrExiteers are always good for a laugh (John Redwood is a member of the Westminster Parliament):Boris Johnson has vowed to "do everything we need to do" - including an attempt to override post-Brexit arrangements with the EU - in order to "ensure there is no barrier down the Irish Sea".
Having held talks with Northern Ireland's First Minister Arlene Foster on Wednesday morning, the prime minister later raised the prospect of triggering Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol.
It comes just days after the EU itself threatened - and then abandoned - an attempt to invoke Article 16 as part of the bloc's row with drugmakers over COVID vaccines and its efforts to introduce export controls on jabs.
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https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/ ... 2322840578
Um, yeah. Well, if the customers don't want to buy shellfish, then the supermarkets won't sell more shellfish. What do you want to do, Redwood? Force people to buy shellfish? Dump the prices into nirvana so people can't resist and you have to subsidize your fishing industry to hell and back in order to keep prices low? Not to even think about the fact that if you want to sell as much shellfish as you did before BrExit, then the average Brit would have to eat 8 times as much shellfish as the average continental european did before BrExit. Well, I totally foresee a change in the british cusine. From warm beer and mint sauce, to shellfish all day. Every day...
You know what's extra funny? John Redwood was famously once described as a "Vulcan", by a member of his own party, due to his intonation and prefering "logic over passion". Well. This one clearly suffers from Pa'Nar-syndrome, which he must have caught when melding with the BrExit-idea.
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So...
https://www.ft.com/content/3dad4ef3-59e ... 29a5b7d0aa
https://www.ft.com/content/3dad4ef3-59e ... 29a5b7d0aa
...it's not just fishermen, who'd wish they'd be in the EU again.Amsterdam ousts London as Europe’s top share trading hub
UK’s departure from the EU prompts shift in dealing of stocks and derivatives
Amsterdam surpassed London as Europe’s largest share trading centre last month as the Netherlands scooped up business lost by the UK since Brexit.
An average €9.2bn shares a day were traded on Euronext Amsterdam and the Dutch arms of CBOE Europe and Turquoise in January, a more than fourfold increase from December. The surge came as volumes in London fell sharply to €8.6bn, dislodging the UK from its historic position as the main hub for the European market, according to data from CBOE Europe.
The shift was prompted by a ban on EU-based financial institutions trading in London because Brussels has not recognised UK exchanges and trading venues as having the same supervisory status as its own.
Without this so-called equivalence to ease cross-border dealing, there was an immediate shift of €6.5bn of deals to the EU when the Brexit transition period concluded at the end of last year. It was about half of the amount of business that London banks and brokers would normally handle.
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So, clearspira, have they started rationing fish and chips yet? Having to find substitutes for spotted dick? Leaving the beans out of your beans on toast?
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Substitute for what?