Coronavirus - the new pandemic

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Re: Coronavirus - the new pandemic

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I must confess that, after everything we’ve seen in the last four years, I’m still a little bit shocked to see the American right deciding 100,000 dead is an acceptable price for being able to go shopping, and that the elderly don’t matter because “they were going to die anyway.“
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No, GreyICE, I was pointing to the study that backed up initial hope for the drug. You asked me if the other study was what I was referring to, and I corrected you.

Facts matter, after all.
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No, GreyICE, I was pointing to the study that backed up initial hope for the drug. You asked me if the other study was what I was referring to, and I corrected you.

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First, personal liberty is important to a lot of Americans in a way that many on the left just don't get.

Most people don't want to open up the economy so that they can get a haircut. Though haircuts were important to Lori Lightfoot. Hey, who am I to judge? But what about the person giving the haircuts? A

Small businesses are closing that may never re-open, while Amazon and Walmart do OK. I've been eating more local take-out than ever before trying to help keep local eateries going. And you can't just keep power on and food coming forever.

Many US states are seeing lower rates of infection after ending the lockdown.
[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8347901/US-states-LOWER-infection-rates-lockdowns-end-study-claims.html[/url] There's a long incubation period for this bug, so I'm taking a wait-and-see approach.

If some people think we can keep the most vulnerable isolated and are willing to take a chance on their own health, that's not necessarily wrong. Maybe some urban areas may need to stay locked down for a while (if it is helping), but outside of the urban areas we seem to be weathering the storm pretty well. Field hospitals set up for Covid 19 have closed down, and most didn't treat a single patient.
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Darth Wedgius wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 8:29 pm First, personal liberty is important to a lot of Americans in a way that many on the left just don't get.

Most people don't want to open up the economy so that they can get a haircut. Though haircuts were important to Lori Lightfoot. Hey, who am I to judge? But what about the person giving the haircuts? A

Small businesses are closing that may never re-open, while Amazon and Walmart do OK. I've been eating more local take-out than ever before trying to help keep local eateries going. And you can't just keep power on and food coming forever.

Many US states are seeing lower rates of infection after ending the lockdown.
[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8347901/US-states-LOWER-infection-rates-lockdowns-end-study-claims.html[/url] There's a long incubation period for this bug, so I'm taking a wait-and-see approach.

If some people think we can keep the most vulnerable isolated and are willing to take a chance on their own health, that's not necessarily wrong. Maybe some urban areas may need to stay locked down for a while (if it is helping), but outside of the urban areas we seem to be weathering the storm pretty well. Field hospitals set up for Covid 19 have closed down, and most didn't treat a single patient.
Your government seemed not to appreciate that the US is gigantic. Some parts of it is wide open desert or trees as far as the eye can see with barely a man in it. Other parts are so dense that it is shoulder to shoulder most of the day. Locking down those states where sheer geography means that you will never see another person for days was ridiculous. But the lockdown in places like New York was VITAL.

My personal opinion is that Teflon Trump, the man who has weathered every scandal like teardrops in the rain, has been hard hit by Covid-19. People can throw out excuses to defend him, but examples like advising people to drink bleach, his preoccupation with a malaria drug that has no proven anti-Covid ability whatsoever, the uneven lockdown, and his late reaction to the crisis has all left dents. That said, counting him out is foolish. Let us not forget how few believed that he would win the first time around and he now has the Chinese as a convenient foil to rally his voters. And frankly Biden and the other guy (the old man, I forget his name) do not seem to have capitalized on the opportunities for point scoring that Covid-19 has given them.
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On one hand, we have the New York Times printing out a solid block of single-sentence obituaries as the death toll passes 100,000. On the other hand, lots of people really wanna stand shoulder-to-shoulder drinking overpriced beer and cocktails in a pool in the Ozarks.

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Man I thought they were one of the good ones. They even have that old time font for their logo and everything.
..What mirror universe?
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clearspira wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 1:30 am
Darth Wedgius wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 8:29 pm First, personal liberty is important to a lot of Americans in a way that many on the left just don't get.

Most people don't want to open up the economy so that they can get a haircut. Though haircuts were important to Lori Lightfoot. Hey, who am I to judge? But what about the person giving the haircuts? A

Small businesses are closing that may never re-open, while Amazon and Walmart do OK. I've been eating more local take-out than ever before trying to help keep local eateries going. And you can't just keep power on and food coming forever.

Many US states are seeing lower rates of infection after ending the lockdown.
[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8347901/US-states-LOWER-infection-rates-lockdowns-end-study-claims.html[/url] There's a long incubation period for this bug, so I'm taking a wait-and-see approach.

If some people think we can keep the most vulnerable isolated and are willing to take a chance on their own health, that's not necessarily wrong. Maybe some urban areas may need to stay locked down for a while (if it is helping), but outside of the urban areas we seem to be weathering the storm pretty well. Field hospitals set up for Covid 19 have closed down, and most didn't treat a single patient.
Your government seemed not to appreciate that the US is gigantic. Some parts of it is wide open desert or trees as far as the eye can see with barely a man in it. Other parts are so dense that it is shoulder to shoulder most of the day. Locking down those states where sheer geography means that you will never see another person for days was ridiculous. But the lockdown in places like New York was VITAL.

My personal opinion is that Teflon Trump, the man who has weathered every scandal like teardrops in the rain, has been hard hit by Covid-19. People can throw out excuses to defend him, but examples like advising people to drink bleach, his preoccupation with a malaria drug that has no proven anti-Covid ability whatsoever, the uneven lockdown, and his late reaction to the crisis has all left dents. That said, counting him out is foolish. Let us not forget how few believed that he would win the first time around and he now has the Chinese as a convenient foil to rally his voters. And frankly Biden and the other guy (the old man, I forget his name) do not seem to have capitalized on the opportunities for point scoring that Covid-19 has given them.
I tend to agree with most of that (except he didn't tell anyone to drink bleach, of course) and I don't know that he's been hit hard by it. Japan seems to have done well with minimal lockdown, and people are still scratching their heads over that one.

I do think Trump is vulnerable on Covid 19, Biden's trying, with mixed results ( https://www.statesman.com/news/20200421/fact-checking-joe-biden-on-donald-trump-coronavirus ). But if he keeps shooting himself in the foot (e.g., "you ain't black"), he will fritter away the opportunity.
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Honestly, I am glad the NYT did that. It is a rare show of quality journalism and the kind of public grieving that has been missing for this entire epidemic.
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Re: Coronavirus - the new pandemic

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In the midst of a pandemic Trump decides to play golf and tweet conspiracy theories.

https://twitter.com/danfagin/status/1264702837675692034
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