Hamas Attacks Israel

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It’s also not terribly easy for another country (including the US) to hijack the narrative in third party manner.

[phantom000]

This statement from Sesame Street represents my view on the whole situation.

And mine. Hamas needs to be taken out, but I am concerned that Israel is teetering on the verge of becoming a fascist state and the USA might be encouraging it if we are not careful.

[phantom000]

It’s also not terribly easy for another country (including the US) to hijack the narrative in third party manner.

Fair enough, but I am skeptical of anything Israel or Hamas has to say on this subject, after all the first casualty of war is always the truth.

CNN did a summary of what each side is saying about the hospital blast.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/18/middleea ... index.html

Roughly; Israel and Hamas are blaming each other for the incident. US intelligence suggests that someone tried to launch a rocket near the hospital but it exploded on the ground making more of an accident than an attack.

[hammerofglass]

It’s also not terribly easy for another country (including the US) to hijack the narrative in third party manner.

Fair enough, but I am skeptical of anything Israel or Hamas has to say on this subject, after all the first casualty of war is always the truth.

CNN did a summary of what each side is saying about the hospital blast.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/18/middleea ... index.html

Roughly; Israel and Hamas are blaming each other for the incident. US intelligence suggests that someone tried to launch a rocket near the hospital but it exploded on the ground making more of an accident than an attack.

That would explain why it mostly damaged the parking lot.

[Deledrius]

50 Muslim majority countries.
15 Christian majority countries.
10 Catholic majority countries.
7 Buddhist majority countries.
3 Hindu majority countries.
1 Jewish majority country.

I'll counter your ''asking the wrong question'' with another ''asking the wrong question.''
Why does everyone else get more countries than the Jews by a multiple factors?

I see this list and all I can think is that the homogeneity is a huge problem, and the cause of a lot of this strife. Instead of wanting more us-versus-them geography, we need less.

Integration is certainly no panacea, but apartheid is never a solution.

[phantom000]

50 Muslim majority countries.
15 Christian majority countries.
10 Catholic majority countries.
7 Buddhist majority countries.
3 Hindu majority countries.
1 Jewish majority country.

I'll counter your ''asking the wrong question'' with another ''asking the wrong question.''
Why does everyone else get more countries than the Jews by a multiple factors?

I see this list and all I can think is that the homogeneity is a huge problem, and the cause of a lot of this strife. Instead of wanting more us-versus-them geography, we need less.

Integration is certainly no panacea, but apartheid is never a solution.

I think it's more like the expectation of homogeneity, the idea that everyone is supposed to be the same tends to create more problems. Jews wanting to create a new state where they can feel safe, fine, I can get behind that but when you start driving out the people who were already there, just because they are not like you, that is where you have crossed a line and you lost any moral grounds you had.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I think this picture puts things into perspective somewhat. If not Israel - where? Where do the Jews get to have their one single country?

I think you're asking the wrong question. The real issue here is not where but why; why do the Jews need to have their one single country? What makes them so special they get to push everyone else out of the way?

I like where you’re getting with this here. On this case I’m actually leaning with clearspira, but the question hereafter is who at all needs a country. They historically establish themselves through a profusely broad development of culture, and it’s not like people got together and divied up the world. But on that token, the collective overpowered strength of Arab populated countries can’t appropriate any state incorporation over another single Arab culture.

If anything they should have just made it a UN state more than an Arab or Jewish.

And as an aside, that historical stigma should probably be stipulated explicitly before making international doctrines that are supported mostly by it.

[Thebestoftherest]

Does anyone even know why this is happening?

[CharlesPhipps]

I see this list and all I can think is that the homogeneity is a huge problem, and the cause of a lot of this strife. Instead of wanting more us-versus-them geography, we need less.

Integration is certainly no panacea, but apartheid is never a solution.

I mean you've hit on an element that's the core of the issue.

Palestinians don't want to be part of Israel.

Israelis don't want Palestinians to be part of Israel.

But Israeli's refuse to admit that the Palestinians are entitled to the land they're living on. The problem is that every time they came close to recognizing the land, the extreme Right in Israel attacks the leaders who do so...including assassinating one of their Prime Ministers.

[CharlesPhipps]

Does anyone even know why this is happening?

I mean, this is a vast oversimplification but the probable reason as to, "Why now?"

A. Israel was given a free reign by Donald Trump to make a shit ton more settlements to expand into Palestinian territory. These include Donald Trump named neighborhoods. This combined with the fact that no concessions were made to Palestinian authority as they tended to be forced under Obama and Bush of all people made things worse.
B. Iran has been expanding its reach into Palestine and radicalizing people for the past decade, Solemani (the guy Trump killed) having adopted a policy of proxy wars that have been expanding its reach ala the CIA in the Eighties for maximum ironies sake. Iran REALLY hates Netanyahu for his attempts to get the USA to invade under Obama and fearmongering about the government.
C. Egypt has closed the border due to its own instability and this has made pressures on Palestines civilians much-much harder both supply wise and movement wise.
D. Netanyahu is actually widely considered to be a weak armchair general and paper tiger who would vastly overreact while also fail miserably at actually providing security due to the fact his government is a bunch of political cronies and incompetent yes men.