Describing the natural physical development of having female genetics, and therefore female biochemistry as a "hormone imbalance" is a tremendous and bizarre rationalization. A female to male transgendered person's sex is female, by definition. That is not a condition that medical technology is capable of changing,. All medical tech can do is neuter that person, it cannot make them physically male.hammerofglass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:32 pmI mean, trans people are aware of physical sex differences in much the same way as a diabetic is aware of blood sugar. Nobody's really denying they exist.Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:08 pmIf "sex differences are real and often significant in human relationships" is a prejudice, then I think it is one well supported by evidence.hammerofglass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:20 pm Just nakedly stating that your prejudices are reality is not a real argument, Mickey_Rat15.
Now saying trans men aren't real men because a hormone imbalance they can't control affected their physical development? That's prejudice.
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Your obsession with reproductive organs as the only sexual characteristic is kind of weird, dude. For trans men especially the physical difference before and after going on the right hormones is massive.Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:52 pmDescribing the natural physical development of having female genetics, and therefore female biochemistry as a "hormone imbalance" is a tremendous and bizarre rationalization. A female to male transgendered person's sex is female, by definition. That is not a condition that medical technology is capable of changing,. All medical tech can do is neuter that person, it cannot make them physically male.hammerofglass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:32 pmI mean, trans people are aware of physical sex differences in much the same way as a diabetic is aware of blood sugar. Nobody's really denying they exist.Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:08 pmIf "sex differences are real and often significant in human relationships" is a prejudice, then I think it is one well supported by evidence.hammerofglass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:20 pm Just nakedly stating that your prejudices are reality is not a real argument, Mickey_Rat15.
Now saying trans men aren't real men because a hormone imbalance they can't control affected their physical development? That's prejudice.
Not that you have to medically transition to be your real gender etc etc.
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Most sexual characteristics are purely hormonal. Hell if you include prenatal hormones even genitals are hormonal rather than generic. There are hundreds of thousands of cis women that have the XY karyotype.Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:52 pmDescribing the natural physical development of having female genetics, and therefore female biochemistry as a "hormone imbalance" is a tremendous and bizarre rationalization. A female to male transgendered person's sex is female, by definition. That is not a condition that medical technology is capable of changing,. All medical tech can do is neuter that person, it cannot make them physically male.hammerofglass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:32 pmI mean, trans people are aware of physical sex differences in much the same way as a diabetic is aware of blood sugar. Nobody's really denying they exist.Mickey_Rat15 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:08 pmIf "sex differences are real and often significant in human relationships" is a prejudice, then I think it is one well supported by evidence.hammerofglass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:20 pm Just nakedly stating that your prejudices are reality is not a real argument, Mickey_Rat15.
Now saying trans men aren't real men because a hormone imbalance they can't control affected their physical development? That's prejudice.
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Just remembered some people consider "dude" gendered. Apologies, mea culpa.
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"Angels to some, demons to others..."hammerofglass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:39 pmAlso she seems to have trans women confused with cenobites? It's pretty unhinged.
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And they're totally uninterested in sex, as well as generally unusually beautiful, because the lack of a testosterone receptor means that their fetal development followed the 'female' design more than normal females' do.Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:29 pm Most sexual characteristics are purely hormonal. Hell if you include prenatal hormones even genitals are hormonal rather than generic. There are hundreds of thousands of cis women that have the XY karyotype.
Still, we consider them women. We certainly don't consider them men.
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It's pretty inaccurate none the less.hammerofglass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:32 pmNow saying trans men aren't real men because a hormone imbalance they can't control affected their physical development? That's prejudice.
Overall you can assert from two sides here that, while recognizing gender as a social construct, the personal development is determined to be as valid as the socially conventional development. There is science to suggest a lot more connective brain chemistry, as has been brought up by CmdrKing in the past iirc. Also that, though I'm personally not too certain on if there is a neurological foundation for it, civil society and its social institutions are a COMPLETELY different matter.
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The whole civil society/social institutions thing is slippery, though. I mean, the situation in the feminist "gender roles are stupid and even your grandparents' generation didn't take them seriously except as an obstacle" household and their social circle and the fundamentalist "strict gender roles are built into human nature and are God's will" household next door and their social circle is going to be completely different.BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:57 pmIt's pretty inaccurate none the less.hammerofglass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:32 pmNow saying trans men aren't real men because a hormone imbalance they can't control affected their physical development? That's prejudice.
Overall you can assert from two sides here that, while recognizing gender as a social construct, the personal development is determined to be as valid as the socially conventional development. There is science to suggest a lot more connective brain chemistry, as has been brought up by CmdrKing in the past iirc. Also that, though I'm personally not too certain on if there is a neurological foundation for it, civil society and its social institutions are a COMPLETELY different matter.
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Somebody actually went through the survey that was the article's only source. It's... about what you'd expect from a hate group, really.
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Okay, Newsweek put the full Lily Cade rant up and it looks like the parts I thought were especially weird from the sections I'd found were actually because she combined the Transgender Empire stuff with Qanon-style "everybody I don't like is a satanic pedophile cult conspiracy".
It's honestly SO deranged and trying SO hard to be as offensive as possible that it's actually kind of hilarious, not gonna lie. All the content warnings, though.
It's honestly SO deranged and trying SO hard to be as offensive as possible that it's actually kind of hilarious, not gonna lie. All the content warnings, though.
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