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Government Shutdown, again

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:06 pm
by Fuzzy Necromancer
Gotta say, this time I'm taking the government shutdown with a degree of fatalistic chill and cynical amusement.

https://satwcomic.com/government-down

Re: Government Shutdown, again

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:19 pm
by Robovski
The world keeps on spinning even when Congress can't work out a budget. It's happened many times before.

Re: Government Shutdown, again

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:05 am
by Fuzzy Necromancer
This is the first time when it's happened when the same party controls all three branches of the federal government though.

Re: Government Shutdown, again

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:28 am
by Antiboyscout
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote:This is the first time when it's happened when the same party controls all three branches of the federal government though.
That is kinda arbitrary. It requires 60 Senate votes to pass a budget. Rep. only have 54 seats. "Control" only requires 51 seats.

Re: Government Shutdown, again

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:43 am
by SuccubusYuri
Actually only spending bills need 60 votes. The actual budget, that is the framework, can pass with simple majority. In 2009, in fact, we passed the budget with 48 votes (48-45).

Re: Government Shutdown, again

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:29 pm
by Paul Walker
And this one was turned down by many Republicans in the Senate...

While it might only need 60 votes, that means that in the other occasions the parties have all successfully corralled enough votes from the opposition to keep it open.

At the moment, the Majority won't even let the Minority ask for unanimous approval to pay for the armed forces (which was pretty much the first thing which happened in the 2013 government shutdown). This is the GOP snatching defeat from the jaws of victory again.

Re: Government Shutdown, again

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:57 pm
by Antiboyscout
Paul Walker wrote:And this one was turned down by many Republicans in the Senate...
5, one of whom has brain cancer an did not vote.
Paul Walker wrote:While it might only need 60 votes, that means that in the other occasions the parties have all successfully corralled enough votes from the opposition to keep it open.

At the moment, the Majority won't even let the Minority ask for unanimous approval to pay for the armed forces (which was pretty much the first thing which happened in the 2013 government shutdown). This is the GOP snatching defeat from the jaws of victory again.
Not really. Public opinion is against the Dem.s on this. It was considered more important to keep the gov. open than to keep DACA.

Re: Government Shutdown, again

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:57 pm
by TGLS

Re: Government Shutdown, again

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:25 am
by Fuzzy Necromancer
Huh. That was shorter than I expected. =U

Re: Government Shutdown, again

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:26 am
by G-Man
Antiboyscout wrote: That is kinda arbitrary. It requires 60 Senate votes to pass a budget. Rep. only have 54 seats. "Control" only requires 51 seats.
They only have 51 seats, actually.